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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If you thought Brighton couldn't get any worse...

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SapphosRock · 10/05/2024 08:18

This is the booking in form at children's A&E.

It requests the child's preferred pronouns.

It does not request the child's sex.

It's just made me so sad. The NHS is falling apart, the doctors are run off their feet. It is not helpful to obfuscate a child's sex when that child may be seriously unwell.

How many vulnerable young girls with he/him pronouns will have their pregnancy missed because of this?

If you thought Brighton couldn't get any worse...
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Brefugee · 11/05/2024 11:06

tbh i am all in favour of having to always record biological sex accurately (also for the police in their reports)
and then gender identity if people want to. So then we can better handle their medical needs and keep good, accurate records.

Bearpawk · 11/05/2024 11:20

What's on the back of

Bearpawk · 11/05/2024 11:21

Whats on the back of the form?

SapphosRock · 11/05/2024 11:50

Bearpawk · 11/05/2024 11:21

Whats on the back of the form?

Nothing on the back.

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Grammarnut · 12/05/2024 17:01

Sparklywolf · 10/05/2024 14:46

Absolutely there needs to be a place to record sex, but it should be in addition to this box not instead of. (Although preferred pronouns is meh, just "known as" would suffice.)

Preferred name is a massive deal to lots of people. Many of my elderly care clients have gone by a nickname or middle name for decades, when they're ill/injured calling them by their real name would just make the situation worse for them. I go by a nickname and tense up if I'm called by my legal (full version) name, even more so for kids recording what to call them to make them most at ease is important

I think nicknames are pretty rare but diminutives are common e.g. Peg/Peggy/Meg(s)/Maggie/Daisy for Margaret and Jack/Johnny for John, for example. My late FiL (I never met him) was always called 'Jack' though his name was Albert, 'Jack' would qualify as a nickname there, but not if his second name had been John or James (rarely shortened to 'Jack' but reasonable since it is Jacques in French).

MarieDeGournay · 12/05/2024 18:03

Brefugee · 11/05/2024 11:02

i'm ok with Preferred Name. My mum gets a bit tense when over friendly staff suddenly address her with her first name. She's always used a shortened form of it anyway, but she prefers Mrs Brefs-Mum.

I wish they'd default to Mr/Mrs/Ms and then ask 'Would you like me to call you [first name]'? which gives the opportunity to say 'Oh no, everyone calls me [nickname].'
An older neighbour of mine went into a nursing home, and the staff reported to her family that she seemed to be very confused, she didn't even respond to her own name. Yes, you've guessed it, she was officially called after an Auntie Penelope out of respect, but was always known by her second name, and 'Penelope!' just didn't ring any bells with her when called out in the dayroom....
Oh and by the way, yes I totally agree with the main issue, that sex should be recorded on medical forms. Sorry I digressed about namesHmm

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/05/2024 19:51

As well as the medical implications, how do they demonstrate they are complying with the Public Sector Equality Duty is they are not collecting data on one of the protected characteristics.

Mchorseface · 12/05/2024 23:24

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/05/2024 19:51

As well as the medical implications, how do they demonstrate they are complying with the Public Sector Equality Duty is they are not collecting data on one of the protected characteristics.

This is one of the things I just don't get. Do organisations think that sex is on its way out as a protected characterisitic or something? Or is there more fear of repercussions from the TRAs?

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