Labour Women - who will you replace Cates, Atkins and Badenoch with?

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Miriam Cates
Kemi Badenoch
Victoria Atkins
.. and many more.

Those who voted Labour today - who did you vote for that will equal ANY of the women above in standing up for women's rights?

Sorry to have to advise you that not every GC woman votes on one issue.

Whilst i agree with those you listed on women's rights, i dont agree with them over most things.

I also think that the GC community should not start in fighting over party politics.

so am not keen on this kind of post it’s just plain divisive as is posters who argue to vote labour who one might describe as GC light.

I think it’s a fair question. I’ve always voted Labour and of course I prefer (most of) their polices, but I’d rather have Badenoch representing me than Kate Osborne.
There are too many Labour MPs who have proved themselves either liars or idiots - or possibly both - for me to automatically vote for them as I have in the past. If they believe TWAW then what other crap will they sign up to?

My point is GC is not party political. It cuts across.

Been around along time swam all the waves of feminism,

Party politics and, academia always brings women’s rights waves down.

So i will leave my dinosaur there.

I agree with those women on this one issue, though tbh I don't know whether we have the same reasons for our stance. I don't agree with them on anything else.
I am also really really tired of hearing "at least the conservatives know what a woman is" when they've been in power throughout most of this shit show and have, as a party, seemingly only realised there's a problem now that they're grasping around desperately for something people might like about them.
Tories always claim to be on everyone's side and they have never yet been on mine so why would I start trusting them now?

Not sure why most of the responses to the OP are all waffling. They just need to list Labour female politicians that are vocal about women's rights in the way the Conservative ones are.

I think Tonia Antoniazzi is good. Rosie Duffield I guess as well.
Shabana Mahmood seems to be sticking her head up the parapet, but only just.
Those are the only names that come to my mind so far.

From what I can tell, Tories tend not to aggressively harass their politicians in the way the Labour ones do. Labour moderates in the party always seem cowered and trembling and scared of the crazy fraction on any kind of policy.

Firstly, I don't have an option to replace them with anyone. My vote is counted for my constituency MP who is an excellent experienced Labour woman.

Secondly, most incoming Labour MPs are in candidate stage. You don't know what they think at the moment. At some point manifestos will appear, but until then you are personalising it to a handful of Tory women so should accept you don't actually have the equivalent information. Or if you want to make this all about the individual, shall we talk about Maria Miller, Caroline Noakes and the amazing last minute converting Ed sec? Penny Mordaunt for leader?

Thirdly, most of us are smart enough to tell a bunch of opportunists who are about to have their snout kicked out of the trough and have an eye to the main chance, thanks.

Agree it’s a fair question

Who are GC Labour supporters thinking will be in high level positions, high enough to influence their party?

Miriam Cates? The woman who blames women going to university for the low birth rate, which she calls the "one overarching threat to British conservatism".
Obviously she doesn't mean herself, she went to Cambridge. And at a guess I'd say she doesn't mean her children. It's other women who shouldn't go to uni so that they don't subsequently find it difficult to "decide when is a good time to pause and have children" (maybe they don't want to, Miriam). She also disagrees with expanding free childcare (but seems to make no link between childcare costs and the birth rate). So she doesn't want more mothers working either.

If there won’t be any high level women pushing GC outcomes how will we see good policy for us?

I dread a dearth of hearing similar sentiment from anyone

What then, Butler, Dodds, Rayner, Osborne and co get their you’re all anti trans rhetoric going?

'High ups' - MPs or not - influencing a political party is not how it works, or do you think the PLP didn't know Corbyn was useless or that the Tory MPs didn't realise Johnson is a lazy lecher who saw it as his privilege to party the pandemic away?

FWIW if you're talking party policy - and so manifestos - and what a party will do in government and which individual candidates stand on, of course I'd prefer Labour. The policy forum approach is technocratic and imperfect, but solid. The Tories get some random to cook up anything they think likely to go down well at the Telegraph, which explains a lot about how Truss happened and the Lib Dems and Greens are completely captured by local groups of weirdos endlessly gaming it out.

You might say that that's not what the OP wants answered, but the question is loaded and not how politics works. Don't let the Tory outriders muddy the waters - there will be enough of that coming up to election day anyway.

If you want to see how the UK will be under Labour, then look at Canada.

Depressing enough for sure

These three are the only ones I can think of right now.

It's frightening.

I think it's a valid question, uncomfortable but important. I didn't vote Labour - or for any mainstream party - this week but I've not decided about the general election yet - I'm waiting for the manifesto.

Anyway to answer the question, in addition to the names already mentioned, I've seen Rachel Reeves suggested. Yes I remember her ducking and diving in that interview with Nick Ferrari so I'm, at best, ambivalent about her but, if correct, it would certainly be good to have support from a big hitter.

I've also heard Bridget Phillipson mentioned.

Struggling to think of any others, unless we're going to include Wes Streeting!

The new intake of Labour MPs worries me as I very much doubt many openly GC candidates will have got through selection.

I fear, but don't know for a fact, that the Labour National Executive will be largely TWAW supportive, and that's another concern.

The OP is asking a very valid question. If my Labour MP or candidate was one of those few brave women or men who openly defend our single-sex rights, they would have my vote without question. They are good people.

But that wouldn’t protect us from the misogynist policies a Labour government would enforce.

We need strong GC politicians holding positions of real power. I long for them to be Labour MPs, but I don’t see much hope of that. The ferrets who are frantically reversing right now are just chancers who would change again if it suited them.

Edited to add that I’ve always voted Labour, Green or for another left-wing party or independent. But I now dread the prospect of a Labour government.

To be fair, I think the ferrets have probably burned their bridges - I can't imagine TRAs letting them reverse back.

Yes wrt the new intake

It’ll be overwhelming gender allegiance imo

It would be terrible to see a labour cabinet of Lisa Nandy, dawn butler ( unlikely but you never know), yvette cooper, Angela rayner, annalise Dodds, Emily thornbury and actually I am sure many more.
they are / were all self enthusiasts either because they truly believe in it ( worrying but ok); don’t truly believe it but think it’s the right side of history ( worrying as kowtowing to nonsense) or don’t truly believe it but family members might ( most worrying of all position imo)

I agree Rachel reeves might be most sensible on this but she will be Treasury for sure so not involved in this at all

It's a valid question. For those for whom women's rights/trans ideology is an issue but who also want/intend/did vote Labour ......who are you looking to within the party to speak out going forward? How do you imagine the issue will progress? What are you expecting?

It is, though. Self ID /Modernising the GRA/GRC etc is definitely the policy commitment of the Labour Party, the SNP, the LIB Dems, the Greens........
there may well be some Tories who are in favour of the above too - but they exist within a party that has blocked all of the above, and which has been the only one to instigate debate and make significant announcements on schools, puberty bockers etc

The Cass Review...blocking Self ID......blocking the Scottish GRA?

You might hate everything else they do on policy isues, but at least be honest and recognise what they have done on this issue.....and how they are the only ones to challenge the loons on the Labour benches.

@RebelliousCow its a big issue for me and makes voting at all, problematic for me.

Though i just did.

My area has always been liberal/tory.

Do you know what your Labour candidates stance is on this issue?

My Labour MP hides her overt trans activism behind saying her beliefs are "Labour party commitments". That's the reason she gave for refusing to meeet with a group of her constituents on the issue.

That's a misrepresentation of her views. As you suggest she's a full time MP with a university education - yet also has children and thinks family is important.

The issue now - is who in the Labour Party is going to speak up in the same way and be able to articulate the issues at the heart of this conflict? ( in the way that she has done)