Labour Women - who will you replace Cates, Atkins and Badenoch with?

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Miriam Cates
Kemi Badenoch
Victoria Atkins
.. and many more.

Those who voted Labour today - who did you vote for that will equal ANY of the women above in standing up for women's rights?

I will never believe that the tories give a flying fuck about women - they might be all merrily using this issue to embarrass labour but most of their actual policies are a fucking disaster for the majority of women in this country.

Do you know what your Labour candidates stance is on this issue?

During the consultation on extending the GRA a few years ago, I wrote to my Labour MP opposing the changes.

I started by telling him I was sexually assaulted when I was about 11, by a stranger who pushed me into a confined space. I eventually escaped and hid in a public toilet, women-only of course.

The assault left me with a lifelong fear of confined spaces and of men blocking my escape route. I’ve always just lived with it, but the threat of men in women’s toilets brought that horrible experience into the front of my mind again.

I’d never written about it before and Iwas feeling sick when I wrote. But I had to explain to him why it was important.

The reply I received was the standard “be kind to men” one. I don’t know if he even read what I’d written. He certainly didn’t even mention it.

I do not forgive him.

Edited to add that I will never again vote for him!

It makes me wonder what Labour supporters are worried about when they persistently misrepresent [gender critical] people's views in this way. It feels like a desperate bid to put people off.

Many of us know our stuff on here, and exactly what people have said, so it's a wee bit daft to do so when you're then going to be corrected.

That's awful, @Ofcourseshecan.

We're Tory here at the moment. I've not managed to speak to our Labour candidate on this issue yet though I scared some canvassers when I brought it up. However, I've stalked his Twitter and it's markedly absent of any posts on either side of the debate.

But...even if he is GC, I don't hold out much hope that he'd vote against the party line as a newbie MP who's trying to find his feet / place in the party. So I'm wary of risking voting for him, if I could bring myself to vote Labour (hard no right now).

I spoiled my local election vote. Interestingly, while Labour held their council seats here, the majorities were reduced somewhat. Our council is heavily Labour and many aren't impressed with their performance (and perceived preference for the south of the borough re spending).

This.

Pretty much a massive distortion of what she has said.

Yes - imagine a Labour govt doing ANY of this? No, me neither.

The point made up thread about GC Labour politicians being genuinely frightened to speak up because of aggression and threats from fellow party members has struck me.

I'm not a Tory, I hold no brief to defend them - but does the same apply to GC or indeed twaw-ers in their ranks?

If not, that says things about Labour culture that are shameful and worrying.

Mine told me it was 'cruel' to expect men in dresses to use the loos for their sex. Utter wanker.

And they wonder why they lose women’s votes.

The Labour Party is a very broad church, of course, though there has always been an element within Left politics which is bullying and intimidatory; and certainly at the local level. I think that may in large part due to a very tribalistic type of politics which engages in broad brush stroke positions and assertions.
You are either with us or against us type culture.

People who don't tow the hard lines within the party get subject to this too - and there has often been a culture of bullying out MPs who don't conform. This was particularly marked where I live - during the Militant Tendency years - but also more recently when Louise Ellman was bullied and intimdated out - and replaced with a Jeremy Corbyn-Momentum candidate ( who I'm now stuck with).

There is so much venom and hate in Left circles - many cannot see people as individuals, especially if they are in the Conservative party. They have to be de-humanised and hated, and not seen as fully human. It is not possible to admire a Tory at a personal level, for example...or if they are admired this cannot be admitted to. But they also do this to their own out-casts too...which is why Tony Blair is still hated, and why many have long hated Kier Starmer.

Some of this most likley stems from trade union politics, and the sway that the unions have on the party. Trade Union cultures are often very radicalised. Certainly unions such as the NEU ( and rail unions) have always been radicalised and hard line - far more so than most of their members.

The labour party has come a long way on this - the labour women's declaration has done an excellent job for example, it is in most forums entirely possible to be GC and active in the party Rosie Duffield and Toni A are the highest profile GC MPs - but there are plenty that agree with them - I do feel that many tories - are using it as a political scoring point as opposed to genuinely caring about the issues. See also free speech. KB is good on equalites and obviously does care but rather liz truss like on economics

the tories do not give a fuck about women.

Their contempt for us is revealed by fact they are suggesting that the transgender issue is only issue we need to concern ourselves with.

they have absolutely fucked the country and are doing some serious deflecting by focusing on this. I cannot wait until they are kicked out and have to crawl back into the putrid swamps of ignominy.

The Rosie Duffield who Keir Starmer hasn't spoken to since 2021, that Rosie Duffield?

I haven't seen much support for her from her fellow MPs. In fact, it's most common to see the opposite, I'd say.

Their contempt for us is revealed by fact they are suggesting that the transgender issue is only issue we need to concern ourselves with.

You mean women's sex-based and children's rights? It's not all about transpeople, no matter what they'd like you to think.

And where are they saying it's the only issue of concern in the U.K.?

So who are the Labour MPs who agree with Rosie Duffield and Tonia Antoniazzi? Why don't I know their names?

Rosie Duffield was heckled by one of Labour's well known sexist and misogynistic MPs in parliament, in fact. Keir didn't bother contacting her afterwards. Weird.

What has the Labour Women's Declaration actually achieved, though?

Who are the out and open gender critical Labour party MPs?

That is a just a load of bile...not political comment.

Where are you going to secrete that bile when Labour are in...there will be a natural vacancy.

I believe it's just the two mentioned! 🤔 We'll be in safe hands with Labour, I'm sure, given how reluctant their MPs are to be vocally GC.

He is such a horrible, creepy little man.

He's very much the type of bloke you'd cross the road to avoid!

If Labour MPs are being whipped into line on this issue, and afraid to speak out - that surely suggests that Starmer is trying to provide a unified front on the issue...and that unified front is its commitment to " modernising the GRA" to make Self Id that much easier and more simple. There is absolutley no challenge at all in anything that he has said on the issue - to the concept of 'trans' at all, or the 'trans child. Nothing.

I think you’re assuming that when we vote in local elections, mayoral elections or for a police commissioner that we’ll vote the same way when voting for our MP. I think voting is I bit more nuanced than that. Just to add though that looking at Kemi Badenoch’s voting record on the environment that we live in, I hope she loses her seat in the next GE for our children’s sake.