Radio 4 more or less - Cass

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Focussing on the misinformation about Cass 'ignoring 100 studies.'

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hry4wj?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Anyone listened and can tell us what it concludes?

This is the blurb for it.

I've heard it. All very sensible and makes it clear what Cass did and why some people got the wrong end of the stick (in relation to the number of rejected studies).

It's mostly an interview with Cass and one of the York researchers. They go into detail about the methodology.

Key excerpt:
She says she "felt very angry"

"Where people have been looking after these young people clinically, whether or not they've been doing the right thing, they have been trying to do their best, many of them, for these young people.

Adults, who DELIBERATELY (her emphasis) spread misinformation, about this topic, are putting young people at risk, and in my view, that is unforgivable. "

She does go on to say that they're not saying some young people won't benefit from these treatments. She's spoken to some people who appear to. Her major concern is the lack of longer term evidence.

They've traced the "98% of research was thrown out" misinformation trope to Twitter, from a BMJ pre release and screen grab.

Someone from BMJ says that if you understand what systematic reviews you don't read it in the way the Twitter lot did.

When asked if that could have been dealt with differently, he says he thinks that there's a lot of people who don't want to accept the findings of the review.

It's a short but good.
Tracks the '98% of studies ignored' rumour to the day before Cass was released, on Twitter, based on a BMJ headline. Misinterpretation and jumping to conclusions.

I kind of feel sorry for the BMJ who are used to only being read by a scientific/medical audience.

In any systematic review vast amounts of studies are thrown out. And a normal BMJ audience would read 98% of studies thrown out as either it being hard to do qualitity studies in this area or no-one is actually trying, or both.

Nobody sat the Twitter comms person down and said 'Right, if you were a TRA, how would you read this press release?'

Nobody sat the Twitter comms person down and said 'Right, if you were a TRA, how would you read this press release?'

Probably because they're not paying the cleaner enough... What if he was a method actor?

The same BBC that hasn’t been covering the medical scandal of transing kids and young people whilst pushing gender ideology and extremely misogynistic drag content across its channels?

Hmmm. I simply don’t trust them on anything these days. I find it hard to believe there’s no agenda at play tbh.

Want to know the trans response?

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1c8p0x0/bbc_radio_4_more_or_less_behind_the_stats_98_is/

Tim Hartford who presents More Or Less, I’d trust with my statistical life. He also works for the FT and does an amazing podcast called Cautionary Tales - we can trust this show I’m sure

There was an early, lame attempt to spread the same misinformation here. It was shot down in flames. Mumsnet isn't Twitter or Reddit.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5049818-to-nominate-the-principle-authors-of-the-cass-review-for-this

Perhaps it's not enough for her to assert, publicly, what the actual facts are. These nasty bastards don't give a flying fuck about credentials and reputation. If they can fuck it up, they will.

Perhaps she needs to publish those studies. And let everyone have a crack at critiquing them in public.

Maybe it's full of 'my mate said this, and he should know' anecdotes. Who knows?

But at least, that way, TRAs can fight out amongst themselves, while the grown-ups clear up their mess.

It's almost Trump-esque, isn't it? A post truth world indeed

It's all they have; it's all they've ever had, and people are finally starting to fully understand that.

I'm astounded at MPs spreading this misinformation. As an MP I do think you need to be held accountable if doing this.

Oh well, ffs, it's only been on the world service so far, not mainstream bbc radio 4

Which might be why it's short.

I missed this; at least there's a bbc report out citing it

Cass Review: Gender care report author attacks 'misinformation' www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68863594

I completely agree with the thrust of this, but 98% of studies were not thrown out!

Closed belief system, indeed.

I love how they consider the BBC "transphobic"

It was covered in a very balanced way on the Media Show on BBC R4 on Thursday afternoon.

I like how Dr. Cass being asked onto political/news programmes to discuss a major report which is major news has been interpreted as her "crying" and "raking in right wing cash".

radio 4 Media Show. Ignore headline, Cass took up a lot of the show.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y86y?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Perhaps she needs to publish those studies

I've not checked all the Cass ones, but usually an evidence review looks only at published studies. No need for Cass to publish them again.

She doesn't need to publish the studies, they will all be already published.

The systematic reviews used to inform the report are also all published and list all the studies considered with a lot of information about the process and assessment used.

Gosh that’s a shock BBC news are reporting this because they’ve been pretty dreadful and I’d say complicit in spreading this false information. Every single news item on the day Cass was released had a TRA on dissing the report.