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Spectator article on author feeling horny after watching a lecture by a female academic at Cambridge University and then hiring a prostitute

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PlumDog · 18/04/2024 13:03

See below (it's vile):
https://twitter.com/itaintwhywhywhy/status/1780888612780835302

"Lloyd Evans started writing for the The Spectator in 1998 and later became its poetry editor and theatre critic. In 2005 he co-authored a play, ‘Who’s The Daddy?’ based on sexual shenanigans at the Spectator."

https://twitter.com/itaintwhywhywhy/status/1780888612780835302

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Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2024 14:04

Good grief that is unbelievable! How can the Spectator publish such a thing. And name the academic. Am shocked.

And then we have the gentleman who is Declan Rice.

What a contrast.

Treaclewell · 21/04/2024 15:00

Haven't read the whole thread, but I am reminded that one of the DNA Nobel prize winners put in his book about his work that he went to a lecture by Rosalind Franklin (the one who didn't win a Nobel prize) and all he could think about was her breasts. I wonder how common this is. Thinking it and then publicising it.

theworldie · 21/04/2024 15:07

Fraser Nelson (editor): WTF were you thinking to allow this?

I suspect a pp is right and the editor hates him.

Is the term “hoisted by his own petard” correct? Or maybe just give someone enough rope..

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2024 15:13

But this will haunt her for the rest of her career - I am glad she is coming out fighting but still I would personally struggle with this everytime I gave a lecture (although too old now to be 'fanciable' thank god 😂).

It's hard enough as a woman and research has shown female lecturers always get worse feedback from male students and ate not given the respect that male lecturers get.

therealcookiemonster · 21/04/2024 15:16

Kittywittywoo · 21/04/2024 11:11

Why did he have to name her . It's like he's punishing her for something.

I am pretty sure he got some sort of kick out of naming her, the creep.

Tinysoxxx · 21/04/2024 15:24

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2024 15:13

But this will haunt her for the rest of her career - I am glad she is coming out fighting but still I would personally struggle with this everytime I gave a lecture (although too old now to be 'fanciable' thank god 😂).

It's hard enough as a woman and research has shown female lecturers always get worse feedback from male students and ate not given the respect that male lecturers get.

I imagine his theatre visits now, as the theatre critic for the Spectator, will be also haunting for the actresses.

CriticalCondition · 21/04/2024 15:27

therealcookiemonster · 21/04/2024 15:16

I am pretty sure he got some sort of kick out of naming her, the creep.

I was thinking about this earlier. He's used both women again by writing about them. The first time he treats them both as sexual objects, the second time as fodder for copy. For which he is getting paid.

Vile, vile man.

theworldie · 21/04/2024 15:32

Treaclewell · 21/04/2024 15:00

Haven't read the whole thread, but I am reminded that one of the DNA Nobel prize winners put in his book about his work that he went to a lecture by Rosalind Franklin (the one who didn't win a Nobel prize) and all he could think about was her breasts. I wonder how common this is. Thinking it and then publicising it.

It’s so disgusting. That these men have to reduce intelligent, successful women to their body parts and sexualise them to ridicule and demean them as they are threatened (or just get off on it)

Can you imagine the same from a Nobel prize winning woman? Or any woman for that matter: “I sat in his lecture and all I could think about was his cock”?!

It’s astounding that some men are happy to advertise what pathetic perverts they are.

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2024 17:01

therealcookiemonster · 21/04/2024 15:16

I am pretty sure he got some sort of kick out of naming her, the creep.

Of course - it's a power trip and a way to demean and subjugate her because he can't have her. Pathetic as it is.

Mytholmroyd · 21/04/2024 17:13

Tinysoxxx · 21/04/2024 15:24

I imagine his theatre visits now, as the theatre critic for the Spectator, will be also haunting for the actresses.

Edited

Yes. Although I imagine many actresses have more power over their image or at least have been taught/learnt how to weaponise their looks, accept they are 'on show' etc (I could be wrong!) whereas I have met very few (I remember one notable exception but not common at all in my subject) female academics who wield their sexuality for power.

We/I usually dress down/don't wear heels or lowcut body hugging clothes - no 'look at me outfits' etc. Almost deliberately trying not to attract attention.

It's a key difference IME between female academics and female staff in admin departments who do go in for power dressing - and all power to their elbow!

anothernamitynamenamechange · 21/04/2024 17:52

Hartley99 · 21/04/2024 13:37

I can see his point. I will probably get flamed for this, but you could make a case for prostitution to be available for young men (16-25). Boys that age are (quite literally) mad with testosterone and sexual frustration. I sometimes wonder if it would be a good thing to allow them to visit prostitutes. Obviously the women should be carefully screened for addiction, childhood abuse, PTSD and so on.

I’m not saying I like the idea. Prostitution isn’t “just a job.” It’s a hideously ugly thing, however you spin it. But so is the way young men treat young women. They’re so desperate to lose their virginity, get laid and impress their mates that they really don’t care who gets hurt in the process. Looking back, my teenage brothers and cousins did some terrible things - constantly cheating on their girlfriends, making disgusting jokes about girls they’d been with, etc. I never got over the shock of hearing them boast and laugh in the kitchen. Which is worse, a 17-year-old virgin visiting a 30-year-old escort, or pretending he wants a relationship with a girl his own age just so he can use her for sex?

Frankly, I long for the day when we have robot brothels and men can “pump and dump” a piece of silicone and metal instead.

That won't work because, clearly, your brothers and cousins who already had girlfriends were still cheating on them with other girls. I would suggest that while their sex drive was undoubtedly strong at that age their ego/need to show off was just as big a motivator - hence the laughing in the kitchen. Its not JUST about the sex, its about gaining social status with their peers/competing with their peers for having sex (or for talking down about girls). Providing them with 30 year old women (uurgh) won't scratch that itch.
Which is also why the sex robots won't work. Even the author of the piece made it clear that the woman's emotional reaction to him (and subservience) was important. You need a human being below you to feel better about yourself.

Plus I really don't think those transactional relationships are good - especially for young men. Old perves like the author are too old and soiled to improve. And the idea of a 30 year old sleeping with a 16 year old and it being a good thing for the 16 year old is rancid. Maybe your own parents relationship was a bad model for you/your brothers?

Dineasair · 21/04/2024 20:13

Hartley99 · 21/04/2024 13:54

For too long men have belittled and trivialised the abuse of women. And it’s STILL going on. In my life, I have known six women who were raped or sexually abused. Not one of them went to the police. Not one. I should think that’s pretty common. If you read that there were fifty rapes last year in your home town, you could confidently bet that for every one of those reported rapes, another ten went unreported. I have a nasty feeling that the sexual abuse of children (especially young girls) was absolutely rife in this country until very recently. I remember a friend telling me that her mum had numerous boyfriends when my friend was a young teen. Then she added bitterly (and this is seared into my memory) “I always had a new stepdad coming in to kiss me goodnight.” She actually stayed in touch with one of her mum’s old boyfriends because he was the only one who didn’t sexually abuse her.

sadly, rape and child sexual abuse is far more common than we think, and that’s the stuff that merits a paragraph three pages in to the newspaper. As you point out, most of it goes unreported.

KitKatChunki · 21/04/2024 20:59

anothernamitynamenamechange · 21/04/2024 17:52

That won't work because, clearly, your brothers and cousins who already had girlfriends were still cheating on them with other girls. I would suggest that while their sex drive was undoubtedly strong at that age their ego/need to show off was just as big a motivator - hence the laughing in the kitchen. Its not JUST about the sex, its about gaining social status with their peers/competing with their peers for having sex (or for talking down about girls). Providing them with 30 year old women (uurgh) won't scratch that itch.
Which is also why the sex robots won't work. Even the author of the piece made it clear that the woman's emotional reaction to him (and subservience) was important. You need a human being below you to feel better about yourself.

Plus I really don't think those transactional relationships are good - especially for young men. Old perves like the author are too old and soiled to improve. And the idea of a 30 year old sleeping with a 16 year old and it being a good thing for the 16 year old is rancid. Maybe your own parents relationship was a bad model for you/your brothers?

There are sex robots - men can buy rubber dolls, moving willy sucker things. There are still men who would rather crush a living woman's spirit and have a fight to show their power, trying to break someone because they physically can.

Men who refuse all therapy, going around wilfully emotionally hurting women repeatedly then moving on to the next are also damaging women and not doing menfolk any favours. I strongly suspect the author is one of these.

Dineasair · 22/04/2024 11:15

dimllaishebiaith · 21/04/2024 13:48

It's utterly baffling how women are the ones who get called hormonal yet can apparently manage their hormones without being offered up men to shag whenever they can afford it, but men who are apparently far more logic and less hormonal than women cannot cope without prostitutes because of their hormones 🙄

men are far more driven by hormones than they will ever admit, testosterone is a powerful thing. You can see that in the young women who are taking it, they can be just as aggressive as the men when we meet them on the protests, they are incandescent with rage.

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