Scotland suspends use of puberty blockers

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https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1780892837678076261?t=6JtA7f3YW_O3F8WBU7l6GA&s=19

Oh he was sciencing all right. And he also revealed that he was angry. Angry sciencing. The most sciencey form of science.

Thank you for letting me know. I saw it on X a short while ago and assumed it was new. That's a relief.

Ross Green can query and the clinic management can tell him to fuck off (in polite-professional speak) They don't need anything from him, he will have appeased his support base just by tutting at them, and we're all happy.

Though... maybe they could ask him for some extra money to support detransitioners in exchange for not exposing and publicly jeering at his inability to understand evidence-based medicine even when it's written out nice and plainly by Dr Cass.

I have seen this morning that a protest March is being planned in Scotland I think for this Saturday (popped up on instagram but I can't find it now) so this isn't going to be brought in without a fuss.

It's tonight I think www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/s/GQP6tMRRns

guarantee it's 30 people, all with masks, blue rinses and benefit sticks

And that 25 of them have got a willy.

£10 bet.

Meanwhile, in Australia, the official political and medical response of gender clinics to the Cass Report has been:

We are not the UK.
Our medical system is completely different to the NHS.
Report isn’t relevant to Australia or Australian children.
We are right and Cass is bigoted.
We’ll continue transitioning children and performing gender affirming surgeries on minors.
And isn’t Western Australia great - as of yesterday, children under 12 can change their birth certificate to their affirmed gender with the permission of the court, those 12 - 16 can with parental permission, and above 16 can basically self id and legally become the opposite sex.

Fucking hell, Australia is deliberately rejecting science, fact and evidence - and children and women will continue to suffer because of it.

What is a benefit stick?

Thank goodness for that.

For all the SNP/Green blustering the clinicians know that it's their neck on the line and to continue would lead to lawsuits and even criminal charges down the line.

Not noticed how often these people have a stick? It's to show the world how sick they are and how much sympathy they need. When you look into it or ask it's never a broken leg, or arthritis, it's a mental health condition with alleged physical attributes

I don't say this to be unkind, I genuinely believe these people have serious mental heath issues and the world and country has let them down.

But they always have a blue rinse and a stick (and a mask). It's all entirely performative, the clothes, the mannerisms, the language

The person rushing at women with a walker and declaiming, "Witch! Witch!" comes to mind as does this, self-identified, "Clinically and medically fragile" person.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5003873-wtf-have-i-just-read?page=2&reply=132900626

Well, well, well. And so quickly, when we thought they’d hold out to show the world their Righteousness.

<fetches eyebrows out of hairline>

Wtf does strong distress at their gender role mean?
And why on earth would puberty blockers be required?!

Does he think we're still living in the 50s?

Even if it is, it's still NHS so it's NHS liability. And thus if there is negligence it's the NHS who remain liable. So it's irrelevant what all activists say if the NHS is struggling to get insurance. Insurance is cost sensitive too and the NHS can say no to treatment if it's not cost effective compared to the benefits.

So yeah senior NHS management can step in for various NON CLINICAL reasons to plug the plug based on cost / liability.

There was one this afternoon at Cadogan Square. But they had to cancel it because 'there appears to be no NHS Scotland building at 5 Cadogan St'

https://www.instagram.com/p/C53QfzAC_B_/

Which I think is why you'll find it's the clinicians that have called this ban 🤷‍♀️

this is too funny. Shame it's about something so important.

Sounds like bluster to me. What else can the clinics say? "Oops we have been doing it wrong all along and made utter tits of ourselves as well as harming children and young people"?

But - is anyone saying this is not a sound research review? Found any real methodological flaws?

It's going to take time but in the end the Australian medical establishment will have to face facts too. It's only been a week.

Cass met with NHS Scotland officials last year. The meeting was largely medics but also had several trans activist organisation reps, so I had been concerned they'd dismiss or somehow reject her input.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/national-gender-identity-healthcare-reference-group-minutes-december-2023/

Minuted relevant part of Cass' presentation:

'EB welcomed Dr Hilary Cass, Chair of the NHS England commissioned Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People to the meeting. This Review is considering clinical service provision in this field as offered by NHS England.
Dr Cass outlined the background to the Review’s work including their remit, terms of reference and reporting process. She provided an overview of what is informing the Review and how evidence was gathered. This included available systematic reviews, quantitative research and qualitative research.
How the Review had engaged with people with lived experience and other relevant stakeholders was outlined. This includes young people on the waiting list, current and former patients of the NHS England commissioned Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) and their families.
Dr Cass spoke further to her findings to date, the impact of the Review’s interim report and consideration of future service model options within NHS England’s commissioning system. Challenges including recruitment of staff with relevant expertise in this area of healthcare was raised. The negative impact of ongoing polarised public discussion of this clinical care was acknowledged, as was associated misunderstandings regarding the work the Cass Review is undertaking and how it was commissioned.
Questions and discussion followed, including on recruitment and expertise challenges, structure of clinical services and lines of governance, local/regional and national provision and factors for consideration in the context of NHS Scotland.
Dr Cass noted discussions between Scottish Government/NHS Scotland and NHS England were ongoing regarding its announced puberty hormone suppression study in children and young people as a treatment option for gender dysphoria.

Reflections on the NHS Scotland clinical and commissioning context followed. The similar challenge experienced by NHS England of recruiting from a limited number of skilled and expert staff to tertiary services and the impact of this on already stretched secondary services was discussed.
EB thanked Dr Cass and her team for attending and providing an update.

Why does the BBC go to late transitioning males for comment when one of the findings of the CASS review was that the main change in recent years was amongst teenage girls and that it was wrong to treat trans identifying teens as part of a homogeneous group under a singular umbrella of trans. It identified trans identifying teens as having multiple very different needs and being heterogeneous in nature as a result. Cass also highlights that there isn't an older female middle aged and older group that exhibits gender distress and thinks this is a notable anomaly.

HAVE THE BBC READ THE CASS REPORT IN FULL? BECAUSE THESE TWO POINTS ARE HIGHLY RELEVANT TO RESPONSIBLE UNBIASED REPORTING.

Why do late transitioning males want to interfere with the health needs of teenage girls with multiple complex needs?
Why do late transitioning males insist teenager girls need access to puberty blockers because of their male life experience?
Why are the life experiences of middle aged women who mysteriously didn't transition as adults and are actively saying they felt similar as teens but this faded irrelevant?

Won't stop medical insurance for this type of treatment skyrocketing....

Brilliant news. I imagine social media activists will be livid.

Delighted to hear this.

It gives me some hope that Ireland can turn this massive mess around. Although we've gone further and have self-ID as law, and removed sex as a protected characteristic from our EA (and replaced it with "gender" which still has not actual legal meaning!!) There is a push to reduce the age of applying for a GRC to 16 (at the moment its 18) without any permission or input from parents needed. Our government, health service, civil service and educational institutions seem to be completely captured.

The HSE (the Irish equivalent of the NHS) have paid for many Irish children to travel to Tavistock as we don't (yet) have a GIDS in Ireland. I cannot see how they can't take guidance from the Cass Review although it's had very little coverage on this side of the water.

Johnnywsbell admitted much further down the thread that it was an old clip, but I was taken in at first. Though I did have an inkling that Shon Faye is a good bit older than that!