Asked my Lib Dem candidate what a woman is

[Botheredbabybrain]

Not sure who to vote for. Lib Dem man posted some sensible stuff about an issue on the local fb group then tried to request me as a friend, I thought I’d gauge his response on this issue. Would be funny if it weren’t so fucking tragic.

When you pee into a urinal, you are using your penis, not your brain.
When you need a sanitary bin for your used tampon, the blood has come from your uterus, not your brain.
When you rape someone, you are using your penis, not your brain.
When you don't want a man in your rape crisis group, it's because of his penis, not his brain.
When you compete in a college swim meet, or represent your country in the women's weightlifting at the Olympics, it's your brawn that really matters, not your brain.

Can anyone think of a single sex space where whether you have a pink brain or a blue one would be relevant?

As a woman I won't be held back by your definition and will stack as much crockery throughout the day as I please!

@BebyDuc I think you'll find Cllr Bano has been getting their answers courtesy of AI. The AI knows what a woman is better than the LibDems!

I dunno... I asked ChatGPT to write me an essay about whether trans women are women or not and it refused.

Several times a day.

So, if I decide to live my life as someone who earns £250k a year, my bank account will have no choice but to comply with my decision to be a rich bitch? Fab, where do I sign up? Oooh, and whilst we're at it, I'd also like to live my life like a size 8 30 year old. I'll do that too then.

This is so depressing.

Hi, I am a Lib Dem. If/when I'm asked at a general election hustings I will say that biological sex is immutable and gender is fluid. I talk about what liberalism means to me on the doorstep. People can be or do whatever they want in their lives, but when that means other people's rights and freedoms are affected, there have to be limits. Transrights really doesn't come up that often on the doorstep though, only when there's been something recently in the news.

I'd say a lot of LDs are gender critical- it's the young liberals mainly who tend to talk about transrights. The young libs push it into conference discussions etc. Most of us just want the issue to play out in the public arena and a sensible approach taken in prisons, NHS, sport etc ......I think we're getting there- I very much welcomed the Cass review.

But that isnt the Lib Dem official line or policy is it?

Also worth saying, I don't need trans feelings to be innate/biological to have sympathy for the people who have them. Nor does having sympathy for those who feel this way mean I have to accomodate them on their own terms.

It is entirely possible, in fact overwhelmingly likely, that most people who identify as trans are both genuine in what they feel, and wrong to conclude this makes them in any meaningful, objective way more like people of the opposite sex than like people of their actual sex

Back in 2022 I posted about my then councillor- who was elected
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529047-My-Lib-Dem-candidate-says-that-you-are-a-woman-if-you-feel-like-a-woman?reply=116603704

Until the official party line starts to reflect this sort of sensible viewpoint I will not be voting for them again.

But just look at this Liberal Democrat Canvassing Guidance from 2022. That’s not long ago. Has there been a change?
https://www.aldc.org/2022/04/canvassing-tips-for-trans-issues-and-handling-transphobic-language-lgbt-liberal-democrats/

Excerpts:
Canvassing Tips for Trans Issues and Handling Transphobic Language – LGBT+ Liberal DemocratsBy Charles Quinn - April 29, 2022

Below is an article from LGBT+ Liberal Democrats on answering questions that come up about trans issues when out canvassing – and dealing with transphobia if you encounter it. You can download the guidance sheet here.

The Liberal Democrats have a proud record in standing up for LGBT+ people, and leading the way on advancing LGBT+ rights.

As a party we are committed to reforming the Gender Recognition Act, banning conversion therapy for all LGBT+ people, and believe that trans women are women and trans men are men. We do not believe that this in any way runs into conflict with the rights of cisgender women and girls – for whom we also have a series of progressive policy initiatives……..

and

If you reasonably suspect the question to be hostile and transphobic, there is little to be gained in answering it in detail. There is no inherent connection between transphobia and trans rights, and moving from the former to the latter can confuse the issue.

Hostile questionsExample: “Do you think trans-identifying men should be in women’s spaces?”

Why it’s hostile: This question presumes an identification of transgender women which is neither legal nor moral. Engaging with the question may imply that you agree with this premise.

Sample responses:

• “No, I think trans men should be in men’s spaces, and that’s our policy.”
• “I don’t think that’s a fair question.”
• “We are following / will follow all the relevant guidance on women’s spaces from women’s charities and experts. We take women’s safety very seriously and we’re taking / have taken steps to reduce violence against women [list steps].”

Totally sounds like that was generated by chatgpt! Right down to the cheery greeting.

I bet it was a man saying that and not somebody of the sex whose supposedly female brains for centuries saw them excluded from education...

Quite a few high profile libdems seem to think TWAW. Including current leader Ed Davey.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1620488240397705218.html

I'm sure you're great, @Wasvular , but given the utter, dangerous twattery of Davey, Featherstone, Hobhouse, Moran etc al, and the demented misogynist shite identifying as conference resolutions and policy, I hope you can understand why I wouldn't vote LD without a gun to my head at the moment. I wish you well trying to turn the ship around, though.

Waiting in anticipation for your reply.

I wore trousers today, so was I living as a man? But I had pink socks on, so a woman? So was I living as a Nan or female?’

(waiting for newspaper to pick thus thread up)

This is really interesting, thanks.

I often feel we are on slightly dodgy ground denying the possibility that men and women could have different brains - but as you say, it’s a function of our different biology. brains are made by/alongside bodies.

I understand. I've heard probably every single reason you can think of why people don't want to vote LD 😂. The trans issue is the one thing I don't feel we have have right at the moment.

Btw I have met all those MPs you mentioned. They're mostly lovely. I have a great respect for them.

Not sure about having a woman's brain but I think that I have a man's liver.

Outwardly nice, I'm sure (a recent thread on a MNer asking Ed Davey a question revealed him to be something of a rude twat).

But respect? They profess to believe that either humans can change sex, or that sex doesn't exist except as some mystical sort of essence or feeling.

This makes them either liars for cheap political points, or thick as mince (with a side order of zealotry in several cases). None of that says 'respect', does it?

Living as a Nan doesn't seem to have the same attraction to TRAs!
Made me smile though.

I joined the then Liberal Party decades ago, stuck with them through all subsequent iterations, canvassed, stuffed envelopes, was a teller at elections, had my kids delivering leaflets with me…the lot. I even defended the decision to go into the coalition government in 2010.
No way would I have anything to do with them now. When I responded to a letter from them asking for my support, I declined and told them why. They responded by telling me my views were not acceptable.
Twats.

Did you have lipstick on?

Have you waxed your moustache lately?

Got giddy about a new pair of shoes?

These are all deciding factors