Just when you thought we’d seen it all….

[SamW98]

Sometimes there are literally no words

You are ALREADY MALE and CANNOT understand what any of us FtM people go through.

I can't get over the lack of self awareness.

Transmen having to spend time reiterating thier actual sex while defending the concept that it doesn't exist. 😆

In modern parlance, is a eunuch now called a hybrid?

I expect the Eunuch update to WPATH 8 made this surgery possible/billable on US insurance?

This daft, fetish driven man is going to have such a rude awakening - I follow the stories of a number of detrans gay men who are very open about their ongoing issues and struggling to find appropriate help to live healthy lives post-castration.

A few quick examples, Alexander from Norway says he still has bleeding ten years post surgery.
Ritchie has needed revisions to his urethra to be able to pee adequately.
Both Shapeshifter and Ritchie have discussed how taking exogenous testosterone with a neovagina has been difficult- their libidos woke back up but they have no way of achieving any fulfilment from that as they have no functional genitals. It just gives them a tortuous version of something akin to phantom limb.
Shape has talked about how testosterone has ‘woken up’ what is left of the penile tissue, causing uncomfortable swelling of the surgical site.

Not being able to achieve sexual fulfilment has made it more difficult to bond with romantic partners.

Ritchie has stopped taking exogenous testosterone because of the above, he has come to realise a low dose of estrogen (for bone health) is preferable to him than having a testosterone driven libido and no genitals to make use of it. Ritchie has started to call himself a ‘desistor’ instead of a ‘detransitioner’ because while he no longer believes he has a female gender identity, he is trapped in gender medicine and cannot go backwards or undo anything already done (he currently wears a binder because he cannot contemplate trusting another surgeon/risking further complications).

I very much hope that the Cass Review results in some sort of NHS service for detrans people. If it really is only 1% (hahaha!) they can just have a small clinic funded by NHS England based in London or MCR and then send a clinician off to do a 3 monthly clinic at the opposite end of the country (the way GIDS used to send staff to NI and Cardiff). The other nations can then commission the NHSE detrans service the way they currently do with trans genital surgeries. No excuses.

Despite all their ongoing physical troubles, Shape, Alexander and Ritchie all seem to be in a much improved place psychologically now that they have stopped pretending to be the opposite sex. I admire them all for speaking up and wish them all well for the future - they are exactly the sort of vulnerable gay men/former GNC little boys with internalised homophobia whose contemporary equivalents are being taught self hatred in our schools and online, just as our young lesbians and neurodivergent girls are.

So four surgeries, at least, none of which were necessary, and all the aftercare, and all the ongoing care. At the end of which the mangina barely functions as a hole! The poor guy. I could get angry at the waste of a surgeon, hospital capacity and all that when the NHS is on it's knees (and that is shameful) but, it seems to me this person has been failed too. I wonder if he went through the Tavistock gender butchery care?

Well, of course. That's all a 'pussy' is for according to these men.

There are more and more people saying they regret their transition but due to this horror of being stuck taking hormones and not being able to reverse the changes, they cannot detransition as such.

I find the ideologue narrative that declares that regret is just part of any treatment to be vile. They are so driven by ideology that they simply dismiss the brutality of these treatments. What kind of person does that while declaring they love and respect that group of people? It is incongruous.

I fear he’s going to find himself with a rampant sex drive and no way of satisfying it.

This does seem likely. Weird.

So many people are being let down by these brutal, unevidenced practices.

I don’t know how we get out of it though, seeing as the NHS was compelled to provide genital surgery for gender reasons via a court process (much like the recent news story about Canada being forced to fund two sets of genitals for someone who believes themselves to be nonbinary).

World has tilted on its axis hasnt it. I absolutely despair. Where will it all end or is this it? Soppy old duffer and please, please this abomination wasn’t paid for by the NHS

I just…
He’s had a vagina «installed».
Installed. «Vagina». Sweet jesus.

🥹😅😂🤣

Rodrigo Alves now Jessica Alves has also had this operation/body modification and is often in the media being described as being a beautiful woman.

That is what I take offence to. He is paraded as being a female and a beautiful one at that and it's that evil agenda to normalise having a butcher chop and change your genitals that I find deeply sinister.

It's medical malpractice. If people want to do this themselves, they sould do it themselves. Doctors are not there to perform frankenstein experiments just because some idiot asks them too.

@TempestTost I don't disagree with you. It's insane. That surgeons want to do this and can do this. That people can sue to get this done, and win! That this can be done to people who are little more than children, who've been... curried to prepare them for this since they were children, that people who are apparently educated and intelligent cheer this on, that they want to and have made trying to talk people out of this criminal, that the world goes on while this is happening. I'll take what crumbs I can get so I can sleep.

On that final point, I'm reminded of those 'what I order vs what I got' memes. I'm not sure why I felt the guy deserved to have his face obscured. Pretty certain why I went with clown.

The absolute irony of Reddit posters telling someone to get out of their space, that the poster can’t identify into their reality (such as it is) and that they aren’t there to satisfy his fetish is ASTONISHING.

My flabber is often ghasted on this subject but this really does take the biscuit.

I thought this was different, in that a 'neovagina' had been created. If that is part of the eunuch fetish then yes I missed it

That reddit chat reminded me of the pro-ana sites.

The Eunuch Chapter of WPATH is the justification that approves gonad removal and genital amputation surgeries on those who:

A) do not ‘present’ as the opposite sex via stereotypical clothing or name changes

B) do not fulfil the previous requirement of a year’s worth of natal hormone suppression and concurrent cross sex hormone use

C) intend to take an exogenous version of their natal hormone post op.

which then opens the side door to blokey-blokes having a neovagina ‘installed’.

Maybe we should petition the NHS for women to have surgical dicks installed on request?

Good luck keeping that non self cleaning pouch fully dilated and smelling lovely and fresh. An inverted penis pouch is for life not just for Instagram.

I know - never heard a woman call their vagina a 'pussy' repeatedly in public 🤢

That’s salad for my tea, then ….
😂

Oh god, yes.

And women never wear long strings of pearls either 🙄

Only Mrs Slocombe 😂

Now Mrs Slocombe’s artfully pink / green / blue hair makes sense.