So angry about everyone not commenting on Cass review

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Since Cass came out I have been slightly obsessively checking the SM feeds of celebs and other public figures who have been vocal in dissing JK Rowling over trans issues. I want them all to say they agree that single sex spaces and sports are required and that men should perhaps not be admitted even if they put on a dress / chop off their dick.

I am also keeping an eye on those who turned their back on Graham Linehan when he raised concerns over transing children, all of which have now been pretty much proved right.

SILENCE

Trans ideology is rightwing, conformist, anti-science bullshit, and they know it now even if they didn't before.

What a relief to finally say it, since I've been too scared to say it in rl. Still too scared:

Can I say it to my best friend who has transed her child with testosterone? NO because that kid will be under medical supervision forever, with unknown, probably cancerous consequences, and the guilt would be crushing for her, probably is already.

Can I say it to my ex teacher who is crowdfunding for mastectomy for her teenage child? NO because they are convinced it will fix the eating disorder and the social anxiety since the kid has said they will kill themselves if they can't have it.

Can I say it to the five young adult females who I watched transing themselves over the past ten years, all of whom I knew in my bones were lesbians, most with autistic tendencies, three of whom I suspected of having been exposed to sex too early? NO. It is heartbreaking to see them and what they have done to their bodies, under the care of medics, with no help whatsoever for their mental health issues or trauma.

Can I say it to my ex friend who stated I was a TERF and a bigot after I pointed out my reasons for having huge concerns over medical transition of children? NO because she doesn't speak to me any more and her best mate is a TW who cannot stop pouting for some reason.

FUMING

An anti-safeguarding post as the first one. That was quicker than normal.

My TWAW friends are all suspiciously quiet too.

Your anger is justified and many share it.

Wow

I never said I knew better. The Cass review pointed out that the medical establishment, upon which the families and individuals had based their opinions I assume, may have appeared confident but actually didn't know ANYTHING so how on EARTH could the families know what was best

All I had was a gut feeling and a sense of doom. I felt in my bones that medical intervention was wrong. I still do, and now there is a report that agrees with me.

Being concerned for safeguarding children from an ideology that persuades them their bodies are wrong but a sex change can fix them is not horrendous @Treezylover. It's what responsible parents and adults do.

There's bound to be silence OP because once people understand the terrible implications of signing up to a belief that promotes the sterilisation of young people and giving up their future good health and potential sexual relationships, they're terrified.

The carefully expressed Cass report showcasing the extent of the experimentation on children is a damning indictment of the powerful in society who pushed this at children and their desperate parents. It will take time and much creeping away / reverse ferreting as people try to avoid being held responsible - see this thread :

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5049155-the-absolute-brass-neck-of-ruth-hunt

I understand your frustration OP, but we are never going to get the mea culpa on this - it's too hard for people to admit they were taken in by bullshit. And the media landscape is still too biased. Far easier to demonise everyone else and then hide in the shadows.

Celebs are far too easily led by the prevailing wind. Remember how Ali G got some of them to embarrassingly say they were in favour of paedophiles or something on his show.

I'm more concerned with politicians who actually have the power to enact laws. Where are they now? What is Starmer saying about this? They are the ones who are accountable to the public.

OP I don't think you are horrendous for being very concerned about the issues raised by Cass.

My social media is full of people saying that the Cass response is a disaster, that it's gping to kill trans kids, and that it's all JKR's fault. And a lot of people saying nothing at all.

I suspect silence might be the best thing to hope for right now. Silence and a slow pivot to a common sense view.

But as an aside, try to not obsess about who (slebs etc) is saying 'the right thing' now. Lots still at stake and we can understand that some are careful, keeping their traps shut.

(The reverse ferreting has been astonishing to watch)

In ‘If This Is A Man’ by Primo Levi (a concentration camp survivor), he talked about how the human mind can only really focus on one all-consuming pain at the time. Wearing little more than thick pyjamas in the bitter winter, and being sanctioned for stuffing newspaper into them to keep warm, all they could think about was the freezing cold. When the weather was warm, they could only think about the pain of starvation. When they had food, their minds turned to wondering what happened to the women and children.

OP. It feels almost like this process, that the pain of being denied free-speech and being severely socially punished for speaking the truth, and seeing how every trusted organisation has been captured by this ideology, is to some degree over, so now we face the avalanche of horror of acknowledging what has actually been done to the bodies of the young people, I’m sure there will be other waves of horror following this one.

Julie Bindel and a host of other women and men who have been on the front line of fighting all this are raging today OP:

https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1779130346778313188

Dennis Kavanagh (Gay Men's Network) is the same:

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1779121310456578415

As is JK Rowling:

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1779090250708488301?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I was surprised that there was, unless I missed it, no mention on Have I Got News For You

Three will be silence because there'll be a whole grief cycle to go through (denial, anger etc.) before someone is able to take a step back and look at what the cass review is saying.

No one who went along with the ideology is going to immediately say that of course the Cass review has come to the correct conclusion, but especially not those with skin in the game.

In the story of the emperor's new clothes I always wonder what happens after the little boy points out the emperor is naked.

That's where we are now, except what we're talking about about is not just a vain naked man but the destruction of child health on a purely ideological basis with no evidence of benefit (and not even long term data collection to quantify any harms). Basically the destruction of children's health to prop up the egos of the vain naked adults.

We need to have criminal prosecutions, I believe Kiera Bell has said as much. We need consequences for those who have sterilized children with no medical evidence base for these actions. It's worse than thalidomide because they've known for much, much longer the harms. Even in the Dutch protocol study a child died.

Op I share your anger. All of us who stood up for safeguarding need to keep pointing out who didn't.

Daniel Radcliffe, in his initial denounciation of Jo Rowling stated that he had based his opinions on 'advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I'

Well, turns out they didn't know as much as Jo, who said so at the time, very eloquently.

If they can be arsed to write huge great essays saying trans ideology is fine can't they just hint that maybe they were wrong though, now that it turns out they were so obviously, idiotically wrong?

I think actually that Baroness Hunt has changed her tune, and apart from the fact that she's pretending she wasn't totally captured in the first place, I welcome a climbdown, and even an about turn, if people end up facing the right way in the end. Better than the digging in of heels that is coming from people like India bloody Willoughby, who is to be fair rather over-invested in trans being the height of cultural superiority, since they have castrated themselves at the altar of it.

Same

Friends in person have mentioned it. Everyone knows the wall is crumbling

Hunt has not changed her tune. All she is saying is that she was not doing and saying what she actually was saying and doing (which is monumentally stupid, given the receipts, and that) The only ones talking right now are either the gender loons convinced Cass is another way station on the road to trans genocide (I dont think there is any hope for this lot-just plain bonkers), or the GC crowd saying "told you so". The rest are just pretending they didn't see, didn't know, weren't told-nothing to do with me, Guv.

Yeah I've had another look at the Hunt stuff and decided maybe she is being disingenuous, trying to imply she never sad any of that. I still welcome it though, because it's causing everyone to drag out the evidence that Stonewall were influential, instrumental, and wrong wrong wrong like we all knew they were

Billy Bragg is scraping the barrel and trying to find any angle that can be spun to dismiss Cass and back up his loony argument. What's with that man?

I've seen a few people with their children's skin in the game fire off knee jerk rejections of the Cass report. I have more respect for the ones who are still keeping quiet, as they are likely to be taking time to absorb new information and reflect on whether and how they should shift their position on the issues covered in the report rather than reflexly digging their heels in.

I'm not talking about it much myself yet outside my own household because I'm trying to get my head round the report, its real life implications for the young people caught up in the gender industry, and the various commentaries from diverse sources.

I suspect silence might be the best thing to hope for right now. Silence and a slow pivot to a common sense view.

Silence gives people an opportunity to look about for an escape route without loss of face. This is the time that people notice the golden bridge. It might not be much, but it also helps to shift preference falsification.

This is a long haul. It's golden bridges or people double down because they're trapped (even if they've trapped themselves with the sort of phenomena social psychologists like Cialdini or Lifton describe so well, or figures such as Havel and Solzhenitsyn).

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?

Excellent piece: From Russia with Love: Science and Ideology Then and Now

https://hxstem.substack.com/p/from-russia-with-love-science-and

Is it them... (the ones the cass report is about... children) and their families who know best?

We're meant to put the responsibility for knowing what is best for them above healthcare professionals who should be working from evidence based healthcare?? Really?

So a 15 year old knows better? A mother who is told her child will kill themselves if they don't support them?

I'm missing why they should possibly know better...

And angry at the expectation and assumption that we can take a leave from evidence based healthcare to put that responsibility on those individuals bc in my book it's pretty harmful to prioritise subjective feelings over objective evidence

But the report covers all this