So angry about everyone not commenting on Cass review

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Since Cass came out I have been slightly obsessively checking the SM feeds of celebs and other public figures who have been vocal in dissing JK Rowling over trans issues. I want them all to say they agree that single sex spaces and sports are required and that men should perhaps not be admitted even if they put on a dress / chop off their dick.

I am also keeping an eye on those who turned their back on Graham Linehan when he raised concerns over transing children, all of which have now been pretty much proved right.

SILENCE

Trans ideology is rightwing, conformist, anti-science bullshit, and they know it now even if they didn't before.

What a relief to finally say it, since I've been too scared to say it in rl. Still too scared:

Can I say it to my best friend who has transed her child with testosterone? NO because that kid will be under medical supervision forever, with unknown, probably cancerous consequences, and the guilt would be crushing for her, probably is already.

Can I say it to my ex teacher who is crowdfunding for mastectomy for her teenage child? NO because they are convinced it will fix the eating disorder and the social anxiety since the kid has said they will kill themselves if they can't have it.

Can I say it to the five young adult females who I watched transing themselves over the past ten years, all of whom I knew in my bones were lesbians, most with autistic tendencies, three of whom I suspected of having been exposed to sex too early? NO. It is heartbreaking to see them and what they have done to their bodies, under the care of medics, with no help whatsoever for their mental health issues or trauma.

Can I say it to my ex friend who stated I was a TERF and a bigot after I pointed out my reasons for having huge concerns over medical transition of children? NO because she doesn't speak to me any more and her best mate is a TW who cannot stop pouting for some reason.

FUMING

Me too. I was waiting for it. Someone must have decided too hot a potato.

I think Hannah Fry may be a bit terfy too

Anyone with half a brain, ability to think for themselves and a teaspoon of moral compass is terfy.

There is nothing new at all in Cass. All of this has been known for years.

Those who have gone along with an ideology that champions sterilizing children with no evidence of benefit are either 1 evil, 2 stupid or 3 scared of the consequences of not doing so (this latter includes parents threatened with suicide who I have enormous sympathy for)

There are some people, in positions of authority, who cannot claim the third option reasonably unless they resigned their position (plenty of doctors have done this and moved out of gender medicine without becoming a whistleblower). Anyone who stayed and did not push back in favour of evidence and fact is 1 or 2 and should answer, preferably in criminal court, for not doing their job properly with harm to many children the result (and I include in this the psychological damage / emotional abuse of children who have been coercively controlled in school )

I was sure enough that there wouldn't be a mention to bet my partner a pint that it wouldn't be! So drinks on him later!

I was surprised that it got through the Any Questions filter though - for the first time ever if I'm not mistaken.

If you have a tattoo you have options when you change your mind. Albeit not necessarily good ones.

If you have cut bits off and started a toxic life changing regime then you have far fewer options.

It has been said many times that some will hang on to the nonsense because to admit they were wrong and they have tortured and permanently disfigured their children will be too much to bear.

OP, I mean this kindly, please take a break from checking social media and go outside. It's a lovely day. Other people wlll post what they want. Spending your day fuming because they haven't posted what you want isn't good for your mental health and a waste of your energy.

@Betweenthe2 it is cute that you are concerned about me but I think if anything people need to be angrier

Good for you OP I'm there with you. I suspect, like me, your mental health is FINE -unlike the children harmed by the evidence free zone of tra ideology.

We're not shutting up and we're not backing down until there are consequences for those to blame.

What WOULD harm my mental health would be child abusers getting away with it.

I'll be there funding the court cases and pleased to do so.

I think it's more important that changes happen because of it. I don't think who posts what on social media matters at this stage.

I think (hope) there will be huge improvements in the way these children are treated following this. I'm focusing on that.

Just say it. Say all of those things to all of those people. You must. The truth must be spoken

I'm waiting (not so) patiently for the he/hims and she/hers to quietly drop off email signatures. I suspect it might take some time though.

Interesting.

Had a chat with my DC today - staunchly pro trans, thinks I'm in a mumsnet GC Terfy echo chamber, and who is studying psychology at uni. We often get into deep debate about this and I listen because a) it's good to have an open mind, and b) also to hear what a relatively rational person of the opposite viewpoint thinks.

He has read the whole Cass report and tells me that

It's a rubbish report because it excluded 50+ studies as they did not have control groups or double blind. Those studies were predominantly of the conclusion that puberty blockers were fine and dandy.

That the studies they did use data from also didn't all have double blind/ control groups but were used anyway "because they fitted Cass's preconceived ideas "

That Cass 'refused' to talk to any trans people during her investigations.

That the Finnish clinic Cass cites as being a model has been dogged by abuse /SA scandals.

We only had this chat a couple of hours back and I've asked him to furnish me with more specific information so I can read up for myself.

It's fair to say that my DC is studying psychology so pretty up on what makes a good valid research paper as it's been drummed into him at uni, so I'm interested to hear more.

I'm still fully GC though 😬

That Cass 'refused' to talk to any trans people during her investigations.

Cass spoke to many trans individuals and organisations.

I'm deeply sorry that your DS has a poor understanding of systematic reviews, even at U/G level. Even if your DS affects to believe that of Cass, what does your DS make of the multiple systematic reviews conducted by York for this review?

Systematic reviews are conducted in line with agreed protocols.

If anyone is interested in this, trial design, evidence-based medicine and how it's evaluated, I strongly recommend the book, Testing Treatments, that is free to download and interactive. There is also a free audiobook of it.

https://www.testingtreatments.org/

Cochrane Handbook is also free to access and is the definitive guide to systematic reviews, the methods, processes and tools.

https://training.cochrane.org/handbook/current/part-1

I agree with you OP; the silence is deafening.

out of interest, why do you say trans ideology is right wing? It seems to be to be extremely left wing. Right wing generally likes gendered stereotyping but I don’t see it as embracing trans ideology. Appreciate it’s all generalizing in any case but I did wonder at you describing it as right wing.

This shitshow happened in a great part because of social media. Well meaning people with platforms replicated the same myths, the same flawed arguements again and again until the baseless idea that some people's minds mismatched their bodies became a thing that no one (except bigots who should be ignored) was challenging because it was something "everyone knows". Social media is important.

Most of us parents have to listen at some time while our young adult children "lecture us" with information that is completely wrong!

First Cass listened intesively to numerous groups of trans people (including detransitioners) (detailed in the report if he reads it)

Re the research, the BMJ have a written clear explanation about how medical research MUST be conducted in order to be ethical. I've copied on of the key paragraphs that everyone needs to understand before we weigh in on how to do medical research involving children (and adults as well). (bolding is mine)

"In fact, the reality is different: studies in gender medicine fall woefully short in terms of methodological rigour; the methodological bar for gender medicine studies was set too low, generating research findings that are therefore hard to interpret. The methodological quality of research matters because a drug efficacy study in humans with an inappropriate or no control group is a potential breach of research ethics. Offering treatments without an adequate understanding of benefits and harms is unethical. All of this matters even more when the treatments are not trivial; puberty blockers and hormone therapies are major, life altering interventions".

https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q837

Good luck - I found that the late adolescent pomposity gradually disappeared over the years as they matured.

GC novelist Simon Edge on Ruth Hunt and her legislator-for-life peerage

https://twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1779108315479392625

Big Pharma.
US cultural hegemony.
Prioritising the individual (“I’m male but I WANT to go into women’s spaces”) over society (single sex spaces are part of ensuring women can play an active part in society).

These are all fairly “right wing” to my lefty, European sensibilities.

But really political left/right is almost meaningless these days as anyone who actually lives in Scotland and is told by those outwith Scotland that the SNP is “left wing” will appreciate.

The notion of individuals being able to do whatever we want to our bodies if we can pay for it and it being fine to profit from people doing harmful things to their bodies, without interference of the state, is liberal and right wing. The idea that there are two rigid gender roles, rigidly fused to a person’s sex, and if a person strongly deviates from their expected role, then they must have been intended for the opposite sexed body to the one they have, is a conservative right wing idea.

The method of the spread and enforcement of the ideology has been by utilising left wing machinery - trade unions, allyship, the Labour Party, various charities in the women’s sector, etc (although obviously Maria Miller, Theresa May, etc are Conservatives), because this has been the most successful political strand for the idea to take hold and catch fire. Young people are more gullible, tend to be left wing and spend more time on social media and they have been central to spreading and enforcement.

@ooooohnoooooo I don't think your DC read the report. What they've said is exactly what India Willoughby said moments after the review was published, almost verbatim. That was immediately disproved but because it sounds convincing it's been trumpeted about on SM by the TRAs.

I've got 2 masters degrees and a PhD but when I was an undergraduate psychology student I was a lazy arse and used to get most of my info off Wikipedia. Embarrassing

Sorry you are going through that.

@FeijoaCrumble I first started thinking it was a right wing ideology when I found out that in Iran it was punishable by death to be gay but if you want to change sex the government will pay for it. I just thought about that for a while and I immediately peaked

While I am grateful that children are now spared the risks of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, I am not terribly optimistic about further changes in the protection of single sex spaces nor a change in the narrative around what it is to be a women, nor that we will see a decrease in the number of middle aged men parodying women nor teenage girls rejecting womanhood. I think silence is a strategy... ride out this wave and carry on.

The inevitable protest has been announced. It will be interesting to see if any politicians turn up and if it's reported in the news.

Peter Tatchell is in full support wouldn't you know.

Peter Tatchell, @PeterTatchell, is quite literally advocating for harm to children. The line, "This is a peaceful protest, despite our anger", comes over too as the threat it is.

https://x.com/Gurdur/status/1779200102717886841?t=7tSNRORFd6U1Ov4Prq93Kw&s=09

https://x.com/WhatTheTrans/status/1777764342064165210?t=t_kwVHoVc0k1AG2ZYDkorg&s=09

Here's the details.

It's appalling to think that so many people who fall into the evil or stupid category are likely to make up the next government and the possibility that they might ignore Cass.