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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Yvette Cooper: Labour wants Cass recommendations adopted, BUT...

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Abeona · 10/04/2024 09:51

Yvette Cooper admits that children and young people have been badly let down:
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1777964876113059843

Apparently the reason why the Labour party ignored all the evidence submitted by GC people to MPs, enquiries and consultations is because it was part of a culture war. We seem to be to blame: all of us who submitted evidence of scientific studies that gender medicine was harmful, who offered evidence of how it was affecting our lives, who stood up and shouted when it would have been easier to stay silent — we'd just allowed ourselves to be drawn into a culture war and could therefore be ignored.

Labour needs to stop this line of defence. I'm glad they plan to accept all the findings of the Cass report and will support the government to implement change, but if they continue to identify all those of us who saw clearly what was happening as tools of a culture war they won't get my vote. If anyone from Labour HQ is reading this, you have absolutely no idea what thousands of us, mainly women, have been through in order to get us here, today. We've been insulted and abused, threatened with loss of career, bullied by friends and colleagues. We need to be acknowledged and not positioned as part of the problem. We weren't the problem, we were the main force behind the solution.

https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1777964876113059843

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EsmaCannonball · 10/04/2024 14:01

PronounssheRa · 10/04/2024 13:54

Anyone want Nadia Whittomes take on the Cass report?

Spoiler, she appears not to have read it and is going 'off message' and will get her info from the trans community/organisations

https://twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1778026808861933715

I haven't read it but if she hasn't managed to link it to Palestine, global warming, #blm and something, something, Donald Trump, I am going to feel that she's really let me down.

RoyalCorgi · 10/04/2024 14:01

Nadia isn't the brightest. The line from the Labour leadership clearly is that now everyone has to pretend that they were concerned about the harm being done to children all along, and ignore all the evidence to the contrary. How very inconvenient of Nadia to remind people that Labour MPs are among the most deranged lunatics supporting gender ideology.

RhubarbAndGingerCheesecake · 10/04/2024 14:06

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

Seems to sums up their thinking these days.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 14:43

DialSquare · 10/04/2024 13:15

So if it was a culture war, why did she listen to the "other side"?

Exactly!

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 19:07

PronounssheRa · 10/04/2024 10:36

Culture war is just an excuse not to listen to people who's view you don't agree with or who you are too afraid to listen to.

It provides a cover for cowards who are too afraid to act as the grown-ups in the room. Just dismiss everything as a culture war and job done.

Yvette saying this has made me more angry with Labour.

Lets give Yvette the benefit of the doubt and accept it was a war between Self Identity Warriors and Evidence Based Medicine Advocates

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
SunTzu

The numpties who only knew their one true self, didn't and don't understand the principles of evidence based medicine.

And until they start to make an effort to understand why women have been saying what they have they will continue to lose.

mach2 · 10/04/2024 19:12

"Culture war" is, as I understand it, something that crossed the pond and describes a situation where there are two major groups in society that are diametrically opposed and, instead of regarding each other as essentially well-meaning people with a different view but as malevolent. It's Manichean and requires two sides.

People like Cooper would have you believe that there is only one antagonist in the UK.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 19:21

mach2 · 10/04/2024 19:12

"Culture war" is, as I understand it, something that crossed the pond and describes a situation where there are two major groups in society that are diametrically opposed and, instead of regarding each other as essentially well-meaning people with a different view but as malevolent. It's Manichean and requires two sides.

People like Cooper would have you believe that there is only one antagonist in the UK.

The culture was has always been about Reason and Evidence versus Ideological Beliefs that have little basis in reality or how the real world works.

Yvette is just finding out she's not on the side she thought she was...

IcakethereforeIam · 10/04/2024 19:33

Thank you @MrsOvertonsWindow that Telegraph article neatly skewers Yvette Cooper's arse talking.

Here an archive link that'll take you past the paywall

https://archive.ph/0iuvO

There a link at the bottom of that to a similar piece on Wes Streeting 😠 😡

I know, I know golden bridges an all but...I just need a moment.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 10/04/2024 19:43

DialSquare · 10/04/2024 13:15

So if it was a culture war, why did she listen to the "other side"?

They have deeper voices. Easier on the ears.
Ours are so high pitched it's akin to a dog whistle so they can't possibly hear our words. Allegedly.

Kucinghitam · 10/04/2024 19:46

StephanieSuperpowers · 10/04/2024 10:10

Oh yeah, as glosswitch said, when it all comes down it's going to turn out that we were right for the wrong reasons (horrible bigotry) and they were wrong for the right reasons (lovely compassion).

I just had a flashback to Another Place, were we were all told off precisely for being "right for the wrong reasons" Wink

ickky · 10/04/2024 21:44

RethinkingLife · 10/04/2024 13:06

Genevieve Gluck argues/speculates that the undermining of women in advance was a considered and deliberate tactic after the previous success of 'feminists and women, lesbians in particular' in pushing back PIE and NAMBLA. "They've slandered feminists as TERFs from the start so no-one will listen to them."

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It absolutely was a considered and deliberate tactic. It was in the Dentons doc.

They recognised the role mothers "feminists" played in bringing about the downfall of P I E.

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