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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Yvette Cooper: Labour wants Cass recommendations adopted, BUT...

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Abeona · 10/04/2024 09:51

Yvette Cooper admits that children and young people have been badly let down:
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1777964876113059843

Apparently the reason why the Labour party ignored all the evidence submitted by GC people to MPs, enquiries and consultations is because it was part of a culture war. We seem to be to blame: all of us who submitted evidence of scientific studies that gender medicine was harmful, who offered evidence of how it was affecting our lives, who stood up and shouted when it would have been easier to stay silent — we'd just allowed ourselves to be drawn into a culture war and could therefore be ignored.

Labour needs to stop this line of defence. I'm glad they plan to accept all the findings of the Cass report and will support the government to implement change, but if they continue to identify all those of us who saw clearly what was happening as tools of a culture war they won't get my vote. If anyone from Labour HQ is reading this, you have absolutely no idea what thousands of us, mainly women, have been through in order to get us here, today. We've been insulted and abused, threatened with loss of career, bullied by friends and colleagues. We need to be acknowledged and not positioned as part of the problem. We weren't the problem, we were the main force behind the solution.

https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1777964876113059843

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nauticant · 10/04/2024 09:56

Apparently the reason why the Labour party ignored all the evidence submitted by GC people to MPs, enquiries and consultations is because it was part of a culture war.

That's been predicted for a long time: "We couldn't listen to you when you were being so shrill and hysterical."

DameMaud · 10/04/2024 09:57

👏yes!
Thanks OP

BionicBadger · 10/04/2024 09:58

Hear hear!

porridgecake · 10/04/2024 09:59

So disappointed in Yvette Cooper. I used to really rate her years ago.

jcakey · 10/04/2024 10:09

If right-wing media outlets/ parties jumped on this issue, the Left seriously needs to examine why.

If you're repeatedly silencing or bullying anyone who raises any concerns about this, you bear the responsibility for creating a culture war. Parents, gc feminists, lesbians and, most of all, children found themselves caught in the middle of this.

It's your job to represent responsibly - and you failed.

StephanieSuperpowers · 10/04/2024 10:10

Oh yeah, as glosswitch said, when it all comes down it's going to turn out that we were right for the wrong reasons (horrible bigotry) and they were wrong for the right reasons (lovely compassion).

Fenlandia · 10/04/2024 10:18

Ah that old chestnut CuLtUrE WaRs. Do bore off Yvette, gender ideology has damaged women, kids and gay people while the Labour party cheered it on.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2024 10:19

Labour - consistently disappointing. And - oh the irony - blaming the very whistleblowing women who they've repeatedly silenced 🙄

Rainbowshit · 10/04/2024 10:20

She can fuck right off to the far side of fuck

kiwiane · 10/04/2024 10:22

Their actions and words now will help me to decide whether to remain in the Labour Party. I’m a feminist and don’t expect my valid gender critical opinions to be dismissed so lightly by the privileged women with power.

MsFenellaFielding · 10/04/2024 10:24

I'm mid-fifties and have voted Labour all my life.

I don't trust Labour at all and this doesn't change how I feel.

Runningupthecurtains · 10/04/2024 10:26

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

So what exactly would they have been listening too?

Citrusandginger · 10/04/2024 10:30

I've also been disappointed in YC who I used to really rate. I'm aware that she has a family connection to the issues so have some sympathy at a personal level.

I can only wonder how parents are feeling now that the evidence of no evidence has been so compellingly laid out. It must be hard to row back, knowing as an intelligent person, you have been misled whilst still being concerned for someone you love.

OvaHere · 10/04/2024 10:30

'Premature Anti' phenomenon. Someone wrote a thread on here once about it.

This is the point where people like Cooper and Streeting start rewriting their narrative as the saviours who did it in the right way and not as people who were part of the problem in the first place.

knittin · 10/04/2024 10:31

Dear Yvette Cooper
We agree with you. We also feel that children and young people have been badly let down in receiving treatment not based on evidence. We also welcome the Cass Review. Regarding those doctors and clinicians who felt that they couldn’t speak out sooner because if they did they would be victimised - for those people - please do not use the term “Culture Wars”

senua · 10/04/2024 10:32

"Excessive blinking can indicate anxiety, which often pairs with lying. If the level of blinking seems exaggerated, it might be because the person is lying."

PronounssheRa · 10/04/2024 10:36

Culture war is just an excuse not to listen to people who's view you don't agree with or who you are too afraid to listen to.

It provides a cover for cowards who are too afraid to act as the grown-ups in the room. Just dismiss everything as a culture war and job done.

Yvette saying this has made me more angry with Labour.

BlackeyedSusan · 10/04/2024 10:36

Runningupthecurtains · 10/04/2024 10:26

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

So what exactly would they have been listening too?

Sounds like a classic abuser. Blaming the victim.

It's your fault we didn't listen when we shouted at you, blocked you, chucked you out of Labour. .

Fuck off Labour. You've lost my vote.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 10:37

Culture war is just an excuse not to listen to people whose view you don't agree with or who you are too afraid to listen to.

It provides a cover for cowards who are too afraid to act as the grown-ups in the room. Just dismiss everything as a culture war and job done.

Yvette saying this has made me more angry with Labour.

This. What a stupid thing to say. It doesn't make them sound like they were outside the "culture war", quite the opposite.

Rightsraptor · 10/04/2024 10:51

If Yvette Cooper has a family member who is trans or whatever that should make no difference whatsoever to her job. She's an MP and has to represent all her constituents and, as a shadow minister/spokesperson etc she should not be bringing her home stuff to work.

So, @Citrusandginger, I have no sympathy at all for her. If she's putting her family's wishes first it's time for her to go.

nauticant · 10/04/2024 10:54

That current information Rightsraptor is that Cooper and Balls have late teens/early 20s child who is a raging trans activist.

OvaHere · 10/04/2024 10:57

If they didn't want to listen to people they think lean right wing they could have had a chat with Rosie Duffield at any point - one of their own MPs. I'm sure Rosie could have explained the issues in an understandable way for them.

sashagabadon · 10/04/2024 10:59

Yvette came over terribly there. She should have done a mea culpa. She is and was part of the problem this issue was a culture war in the first place. And her husband on GMB too

anyolddinosaur · 10/04/2024 11:01

What is a "culture war" and just who created it? Women (and a few wonderful men) have been speaking up about safeguarding children and Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens would not listen. They listened only to Stonewall.

All those people who put their fingers in their ears and refused to engage their brains created a culture war. Stonewall and Mermaids were in the forefront but I wont forget that women were ignored by misogynists.

anothernamealready · 10/04/2024 11:20

porridgecake · 10/04/2024 09:59

So disappointed in Yvette Cooper. I used to really rate her years ago.

I realise my post is unrelated to what's being discussed in this thread (saw this in Active) but I don't have much time for Yvette Cooper. Anyone who cares about vulnerable groups should remember she was the person responsible for the WCA that have caused huge harm to the disabled.