Yvette Cooper: Labour wants Cass recommendations adopted, BUT...

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Yvette Cooper admits that children and young people have been badly let down:
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1777964876113059843

Apparently the reason why the Labour party ignored all the evidence submitted by GC people to MPs, enquiries and consultations is because it was part of a culture war. We seem to be to blame: all of us who submitted evidence of scientific studies that gender medicine was harmful, who offered evidence of how it was affecting our lives, who stood up and shouted when it would have been easier to stay silent — we'd just allowed ourselves to be drawn into a culture war and could therefore be ignored.

Labour needs to stop this line of defence. I'm glad they plan to accept all the findings of the Cass report and will support the government to implement change, but if they continue to identify all those of us who saw clearly what was happening as tools of a culture war they won't get my vote. If anyone from Labour HQ is reading this, you have absolutely no idea what thousands of us, mainly women, have been through in order to get us here, today. We've been insulted and abused, threatened with loss of career, bullied by friends and colleagues. We need to be acknowledged and not positioned as part of the problem. We weren't the problem, we were the main force behind the solution.

Looking forward to the fulsome public apology to Rosie Duffield. I realise Labour MPs are busy all doing their earnest concerned "oh yes, we've been saying this for years!" lies on interviews today, but sure they'll get round to it shortly.

Ah yes, it’s because we’re all raging right wing, or gulls of the far right, and so they couldn’t listen to us in case they caught the right wing cooties.

That’s how it goes, I think. If only there’d been sensible Labour Party women raising their concerns… oh, wait!

Wait a minute, ok, hang on, I know- even a stopped clock is right twice a day! 😅

The people shouting BIGOT when they couldn't answer even the most base-level question about what they proclaimed to believe are the ones creating a culture war.

It's absolute blatant dishonesty to say otherwise and I'm disgusted that people (politicians) do it. Dishonesty and lazy cowardice throughout.

Oh what's the expression? It's on the tip of my tongue. Got it! ODFOD

Exactly.

They didn't listen to us because we were part of a 'culture war'.

If we hadn't said anything, they'd have been saying that we should have spoken up.

There's an interesting general history behind this aside from the obvious point that nobody wants to be reminded of a time when they were on the wrong side of history and they tend to start critiquing the people who were right by saying they were too strident, too [X] etc.

There's a phenomenon known as 'premature anti-[X]' and two of the best known instances are to have been a premature anti-fascist or a premature anti-Nazi.

‘Premature anti-fascist’ was the name by which the Lincoln Brigade veterans of the Spanish Civil War were known by the US Army in World War Two. This service and knowledge didn't distinguish them for a leadership position, it was counted as demerit on their record.

In John Platts-Mills' autobiography (barrister and post-war Labour MP), he recalls being ‘excluded from any form of normal war service by the stupidities of Bevin’. He noted: ‘An anti-Nazi history, was of no help and to have been prematurely anti-Nazi was a positive hindrance … we were condemned throughout most of the 1930s on the grounds that only Communists were against the Nazis and this hostility carried over into the war years.’

Commenting on (British?) veterans of the Spanish Civil War, Platts-Mills wrote that ‘many lefties who had served in Spain were called up or were accepted when they volunteered. Several more got in only after a tussle with the authorities.’ [1]

I wonder if some of the women deplatformed from various social media will find themselves labelled 'premature anti-authoritarians' or some other 'premature anti-[X]'." Glinner likewise has been deplatformed for correctly seeing what was happening. That deplatforming may now well continue for the 'crime' of having been 'strident' and a premature anti-[X]'.

[1] Completeness means that I have to note that he objected to allying with the US rather than Russia after WW2 and would not accept the adverse reports about Stalin.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5030082-ron-jonson-and-adam-buxton?reply=133823278

She says that the report is based on evidence as though that's something different from what we've all been discussing for years. She's spent years refusing to look at the evidence. None of the evidence should have come as a surprise to her.

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but in the parts I have read there's nothing I didn't know already.

She should have listened to women and doctors who were concerned about what was going on instead of her TRA child.

I would imagine Rosie tried many times and was ignored and shunned.
It's hard to make good decisions when you refuse to hear half the story.

Let's face it if we hadn't all been shouting from the rooftops for so long the Cass Review would never have taken place in the first place.

Exactly. The TRAs really went for MN. Like saying no to self-ID, this review wouldn't have happened without this site and the fact we could discuss these issues, and gather evidence. Thankfully some MPs and Peers have been listening.

I think the tribunual results have had an impact in raising awareness too.

That seems to cover it very neatly! Labour have been dismissing women's concerns for years. If they wish to regain trust (and votes), they have a long way to go. I only hope that the influence of Cass may spread beyond it's own remit into other areas of policy (thinking the rainbowisation of schools here). Because once you start to join the dots...

Genevieve Gluck argues/speculates that the undermining of women in advance was a considered and deliberate tactic after the previous success of 'feminists and women, lesbians in particular' in pushing back PIE and NAMBLA. "They've slandered feminists as TERFs from the start so no-one will listen to them."

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So if it was a culture war, why did she listen to the "other side"?

Ignoring safeguarding alerts = not fit to govern. On this or any other issues where raising alarm might be seen as ‘culture war’ problem. Rotherham springs to mind…

They're cool, not middle aged women.

Runningupthecurtains · Today 10:26

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

Yes, it's a complete failure of logic, from an able and intelligent person, isn't it? It brings to mind the Brexit supporters, who eventually admitted that it was shite, but blamed Remainers, for not supporting Brexit.

They're cool, not middle aged women.

She's so down with the kids!

I went looking on YouTube for the great recording of Cooper doing a homely northern accent on local radio contrasted with her stentorian posh RP voice in the HoC. But it seems to have gone.

She’s always made me laugh. Politically bendy AF.

Jesus. Women and men, including the clinicians, who were critical of the 'transing' of children were centring the child by looking at the evidence and saying that wider issues around mental health and trauma and autism should be looked at in their health care.

We were calling for all the things Yvette Cooper said need to be done.

Thanks for the apology Yvette Cooper, and recognition for all the people who got us to the place of this report and who really stuck their necks out at great personal cost, whilst you and your party supported all this idiocy and ignored the evidence base. Thanks for the recognition Yvette.

Let me guess, in a different conversation on a different subject you'll be applauding whistle blowers, am I right?

So you are selectively refusing to acknowledge or praise the whistle blowers here.

Guess what, you've just made my mind up that I will not vote for the cowardly, unprincipled opportunists who populate the current Labour party.

Fuck's sake, Yvette, if it was a war over culture it wouldn't be so bad, but it's actually a war over objective material reality where, let's be honest here, your side wanted to ruin the lives of anyone who even dared to question your arguments.

Absolutely

Anyone want Nadia Whittomes take on the Cass report?

Spoiler, she appears not to have read it and is going 'off message' and will get her info from the trans community/organisations

https://twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1778026808861933715

They have to blame someone don’t they.

I’m so glad Cass has been been published before the next election because Labour have had to come clean. We now just need to persuaded them to define a woman.

I see that Nads has locked her Twatter account, so as not to be confronted with a tsunami of facts and evidence, showing her to be a great big plank.