Thoughts on this?

[Rosienose]

just seen locally advertised.

It is clear about who can attend, which means females can decide if they want to join it. So that's helpful. If it's a no contact, non competitive activity then I see no reason a group like this can't exist. So long as, if they find there is a demand for a female only group (so it can be enjoyed by those who are unable to participate if males are present) then they should set one up. I think on balance I am not pro trans apartheid in all cases. Females and males can have fun together, too.

Bit of a mystery why it can't be a mixed sex group, though - why exclude males who arent trans-identified? :)

I would be concerned about the "all ages" aspect. Children should not be attending clubs with random adults who have not been vetted in attendance.

You should ask them what makes it a 'safe space', exactly.

And yes, non-trans identifying males would probably have a case for discrimination.

Knee and elbow pads?

I’m Surprised they can discriminate against men. They have not quoted the equality act. Watch out for a claim from a man.

They can. There's a derogation from the sex discrimination rules for things like sporting activities. And there's no such thing as anti-cis discrimination.

It's for females and for those who have a gender identity that isn't 'male'.

I'm not sure what the purpose is for excluding males without a gender identity.

It's the usual muddlethink isn't it? A space without large fast moving clumsy males is physically safer for females. But then they spoil it by being inclusive and letting in the 'special' males as well. Because everyone knows that declaring a gender identity means your actual body is irrelevant.

Why is there a bird eating an eyeball?

I agree. Weird it hasn't specified a minimum/maximum age range. You could have a 40 year old rocking up with 10 year olds!

And obviously that's not a safeguarding concern...

It would be great if a large group of contankerous women turned up instead :)

Where does it say no males?

But if I wanted to come along with my DH and male DC, could they not just self ID for the evening? Like dear Eddie can.

Why not, if their parents are present? I regularly go to an open swimming session at my local pool which, given it's school holidays, has lots of kids getting in the way of grumpy old farts like me who just want to plug up and down the lanes in peace. Lots of sporting activities - including things like Parkrun - have kids and adults participating together without any vetting.

If the kids are being left unsupervised then clearly that's a different thing, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that.

It says "trans". It doesn't say which trans. So a woman identifying as a man would be welcomed, presumably? This hasn't been thought through. Why not just say everyone is welcome? (It's OK. I know why - to promote 'inclusivity'. But if I were a bloke I wouldn't feel included.)

It's not clear at all. Trans could mean trans women OR trans men. Non binary could also mean either sex - since both males and females identify as having no "gender"

We are supposed to assume trans means trans women I guess, but it's not actually made clear, and non binary could mean anything really.

So pretty much anyone can rock up.

It says "trans". It doesn't say which trans. So a woman identifying as a man would be welcomed, presumably?

Or a man identifying as a woman.

And everyone knows that declaring a gender identity makes people with penises inherently safer to have around than common or garden cis men.

Sounds like a made up dystopian town like something out of Black Mirror where the knowing hawkish birds eat your eyeballs if you try to escape the nightmare of the eternally inclusive skate rink. Shudder.

That's the thing though - it's obviously aimed at trans women, not trans men. Which is bonkers. Or maybe I'm wrong and it means both. Anyway, it's not clear.

It's not a club, it's a session. So presumably like swimming: with a swimming club parents would leave their child in the care of an adult tutor, but for a general swim session they would stay with their child until they felt the child was old enough to be there on their own without supervision.

Honestly I am usually as grumpy as the next terf about all of this but for once I actually don’t mind.

Skate parks are grimly sexist heteronormative places that discriminate and intimidate everyone who isn’t a particular kind of young man who thinks they are cool. But is sexist and aggressive. I have genuinely been reading three research papers on this today for work.

So an indoor space for everyone else for a change is most likely going to be just fine; there are no changing rooms, lots of people and lots of spectators. Genitalia is irrelevant. For once.

That's not quite it. You can exclude all men from women's sports, but this only excludes some men. Claim for unlawful sex discrimination?

You can put on activities or sports exclusively for an underrepresented or disadvantaged group which share a protected characteristic. This group's members have several different PCs and not clear they are underrepresented or disadvantaged. So again a claim for unlawful sex discrimination and/or for unlawful discrimination on ground of belief.