Thoughts on this?

[Rosienose]

just seen locally advertised.

If children were required to be accompanied by a parent, it would surely be stated on the poster. As it is written, it certainly implies unaccompanied children can attend.

I don't think it's obviously aimed at transwomen. I think it's female (including transwomen), trans (women or men) and non binary (male or female) of all ages.

In other words, everyone. A truly inclusive event!

I hate this because it's a version of "non-men", which is disrespectful to women.

I’d agree (and actually started a girls night at my local skate park back in the 90s) but for the fact this event works on self ID so those exact same ‘sexist and aggressive’ young men who ‘think they are cool’ can now just say ‘I’m nonbinary’ and skate 7 days a week instead of 6.

I'm guessing it is too exclude people who are big and heavy and travel really fast? In theory, as women, transmen and non binary people don't tend to be physically at the biggest and strongest end of the spectrum.

the trouble is, they might end up with transwomen who are physically male, and big and fast enough to be really intimidating and dangerous in a mixed group

Transwomen are male, not female.

As written it appears to include females (women and transmen), and trans and non-binary people regardless of sex. It does not include males who are neither trans nor non-binary.

Any man can take part surely. No one is going to ask if he is a transwoman or non binary.

@Snowypeaks That's not quite it. You can exclude all men from women's sports, but this only excludes some men. Claim for unlawful sex discrimination?

It's the situation we're in right now with women's sports. Permissible exclusion of men (fairness), but transwomen insist on joining in (inclusiveness!). I don't recall exactly how the Equality Act can be tortured to achieve this result, but I expect DadJoke knows (probably involves a LAPA🙄).

Fine. It's clear who is attending and who is invited, and I can make a decision accordingly.

I’m a roller skater and skating is awash with this shit. All inclusive. Loads of SM roller skating groups are full of blokes in skirts skating badly being fawned over. So annoying

Is it clear though?

Women
Men who say they are women
Women who say they are men
Women or men who say they are neither or both

So pretty much anyone. If they want to. Plus any ages, presumably 8 to 80?

It's unlawful discrimination and doesn't fall within any exceptions or provisions of the EA2010. I doubt if anyone will take any action, but there it is.

I don't think they can advertise this as being safe without knowing who is going to turn up as it is open to adults and children. Not all children would turn up with a parent. It doesn't sound very well thought out.

I'd assume both, a sort of "marginalised genders" bucket for everyone except what genderists call "cis men". I've certainly seen that before.

One of the things that pisses me off about genderism is by defining TW as "not men" it implicitly allows the sexist construction of the masculine male as the standard for "men" to continue unchallenged.

The safe space is that women are there: proving that women are never transphobic. Thus proving that as most "terfs" are women, "terfs" are not transphobic!

Presumably they aren’t- if they are old enough to drop at a skate rink on their own then they will be with all ages for lots of things, and if they aren’t then their parents will be with them.

I don't think that's the primary motivation. I think that this would previously have been advertised as a women's and girls' session, and intended to be made less physically threatening by excluding the - larger, heavier, and faster - males. The organisers have been brainwashed into thinking they can't do that any more. Ironically, transwomen would have preferred that and would turn up anyway.

I was going to say that non-binary doesn't have any legal status (under the GRA) but a quick search revealed that there's case law to say they're protected from discrimination. I still don't see why they need to be on the poster, though, given that women can be non-binary.

As I understand it, there's nothing stopping a man identifying as a woman for an hour to get into an event, and then re-identify as a man afterwards. (I believe the slang term is an "Izzard").

Maybe if more men did this, all this nonsense would stop.

(This is the old joke with the final exchange "You're taking the piss !" & "Well you started it" made real)

Maybe we need to ask our GC male allies to come over all non-normative trans on every conceivable occasion. Reductio ad absurdum.

ETA I realise I just said what you said in different words. But that's how much I agree!

It's not so much the kids going skating without their parents/carer, it's grown ups potentially crashing into kids, or kids whizzing around and tripping up less nimble grownups. Injury risk, basically.

This would make sense as an opportunity for women and girls or just girls to get active or geet into a sport/activity, but they've made a nonsense of it.

Surely excluding people on the basis of their sex is breaking the terms of the equality act?

My first thought - that's weird. These groups don't have anything in common.

My second thought - well, they're making it clear who can and can't be admitted, and it's an optional event, so why not?

My third thought - no it's not clear who can be admitted, since anyone can say they're trans or non-binary, so what's the point.

Back to point one, I imagine the organisers do think these people have something in common. Marginalised and in need of extra provision? At risk of leering or groping by men? At physical risk from speedy male skaters? But they are including men, just certain types of men, who as we all know are still men both physically and psychologically.

The Funding from the Safer in Sussex Fund is for community skate sessions. As this is a PCC Fund managed out of Lewes I imagine that a particular target group would score more highly on the Funding Application.

You can find out more, if you are interested, by making a FOI request.

Details:

CSF713
Storrington community skate sessions
south coast skate club c.i.c
Horsham ;£4,000

When I said clear, I really meant, it's clear for females who want to attend a female only single sex group, that it won't be suitable for them.

As opposed to a group saying, women only. Which is then left as a lovely surprise when males show up demanding access.

It is clear about who can attend, which means females can decide if they want to join it

This.
If you want to go, go, if you don't, then don't.