I have no words...

[OldTinHat]

...I've seen it all now!

I wonder if I'll receive a letter offering me a prostate exam??

Have you got a prostate?

This letter includes 'women' so I can't get worked up about it

This.

I don't have any issue with this, it clearly says 'women' which >99% of the people using the service will feel describes them and 'the people with a cervix ' is inclusive for anyone else who doesn't want to define themselves as a woman (but has a cervix). I'd much rather this than for us all be to called 'cervix havers' or similar!

Yes, but I think he keeps his in a pocket or something.

So does this include all women (trans women are women) and people with a cervix too?

India keeps India Cervix in a jar by the door.

I think this is the sensible was forward. Saying 'woman and.....' is probably my preferred option. It beats 'people with a cervix' or 'cis women, trans men and non binary people'.

I don't think many TRAs will be happy with it as it clearly uses the term 'woman' to denote natal women.

The local health authority was recommending digital rectal exams for "people with prostates".

It seems to me that 'authority' is trying so hard to accommodate the 1% that they are willing to offend the 99%.

But that ship has already sailed, so I chose to be was amused rather than offended, and didn't complain or comment.

I think MN might yet be keeping us to a higher standard than Police Scotland would 🤔

A post calling that person from Edinburgh Rape Crisis 'he' was deleted for misgendering recently. Unless the rules have changed in the last day or so 🤞

I'm with @Brainworm. It says women - I'm so happy! - and has and to appease the gender woo contingent. Sorted.

I agree.

It’s clearly also targetted towards transmen- so biological females who identify as men thus also have a cervix. Really no need to get in a tiring and predictable mumsnet flap about it.

Trans women are male, regardless of how they feel or identify, and so do not have a cervix.

Meh, this is fine, inclusive of trans men but women first.

It's fine. If woman wasn't there it would be dreadful - but it is so it's all good. If a trans woman rocks up for a smear they won't get very far. But I doubt they'd be sent this letter.
If trans men and nb people feel better being described that way it's no skin off my nose.

At least it says "women", unlike the Scottish radio adverts which were aimed squarely at "people with a cervix" and avoided the word "women" altogether!

It's better to use "women and people with cervix" than just "people with cervix", but it still mashes two quite different definitions of what 'woman' is together, and that is not logical.

Either 'woman' is a biological sex (and age) category OR it is a feeling which some people with cervix don't share. By mixing those together we have no idea which it is.

The 'nonbinary' concept explains that very clearly. If we now have women, men, and nonbinary people, and given that the nonbinary people are also male or female, the other two words (women and men) can't be referring to sex but to something else. We are never told what that something else might be, but the only verifiable thing (not invisible to outsiders) would be stating a belief in an abstract gender identity based on femininity, masculinity, both or neither AND for those who don't pick nonbinary, and being comfortable with the sexist two-dimensional stereotypical sex roles for men and women.

This is not feminism.

I think it’s okay. At least it says women first!

Not going the way you expected OP 😂

Yes, I know that, but if you play by the NHS rules with their mishmash of terms then it doesn't make sense, after all who are these other people with a cervix if they're not women?

It seems like a lot of TRA’s seem to be confused about what sex people are so I guess the ‘people with a cervix’ is for them.

I suppose the $64,000 question is, have any GPs/nurses etc found themselves explaining to a bewildered transwoman patient that a) the genital surgery didn't magic a cervix out of nowhere but b) patient does need to think about prostate cancer screening. ?

Perhaps a little awkward, but is it better or worse than explaining to a transman that if any penises had been in the body region formerly known as their vagina, then yes, cervical screening should still very much be considered. Though hopefully the HPV vaccination has cut down on cervical cancer risk a lot for the younger generation.

I get you - I assumed trans men!