Disciplinary action for ONS female employees if they object to trans colleagues using their lavatories

[ChristinaXYZ]

This -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/30/ons-female-employees-disciplinary-object-trans-toilets/

"Women working for the Office for National Statistics face disciplinary action if they object to male-born colleagues using single-sex lavatories and changing rooms, documents leaked to The Sunday Telegraph reveal.

A cache of HR policies, internal communications and posts from the ONS intranet show that the statistics body has been subject to “institutional capture” by trans activists, gender critical campaigners have alleged...

A set of ONS resources on “Gender Identity and Transitioning at Work” includes a manager’s checklist for supporting a transitioning employee with a section headed “use of single-sex facilities”.

It says: “Have you agreed when the employee will start to use single-sex facilities, such as toilets and changing rooms, appropriate to their acquired gender? This will usually be on the first day of transition.”

The document says that “if colleagues object to sharing facilities with employees going through transition, the situation should be dealt with through communication, discussion and education”.

“If colleagues persist with unreasonable objections you may need to manage the situation via grievance or disciplinary procedures.”"

Much more detail including a response from Sex Matters in the article linked above.

@Mog65 please stop throwing this crap under one big happy LGBTWTF rainbow umbrella. As a lesbian I say not in my name.

What on earth was their justification for that??

In April 2017 they changed it from 59 to 74; AFAI can remember their justification was that it was upsetting for older women to talk about the assault. There was a discussion about it on this board but I cant find it (it might have been within another thread.)

Yes, Alison Pritchard

This Alison Pritchard:

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/05/11/alison-pritchard-tra-behind-the-scenes-part-one-geo/

@Mog65 - please provide evidence of this transwoman who was raped more than 200 times in men's jail.

Section 20 of the Workplace (Health, Safety & Welfare) Regulations 1992.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1992/3004/regulation/20/made#:~:text=20.%20—%20%281%29%20Suitable%20and%20sufficient%20sanitary%20conveniences,rooms%20containing%20them%20are%20adequately%20ventilated%20and%20lit%3B
20.—(1) Suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences shall be provided at readily accessible places. (2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), sanitary conveniences shall not be suitable unless—
(a)the rooms containing them are adequately ventilated and lit;

(b)they and the rooms containing them are kept in a clean and orderly condition; and

(c)separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.
(3) It shall be sufficient compliance with the requirement in paragraph (1) to provide sufficient sanitary conveniences in a workplace which is not a new workplace, a modification, an extension or a conversion and which, immediately before this regulation came into force in respect of it, was subject to the provisions of the Factories Act 1961, if sanitary conveniences are provided in accordance with the provisions of Part II of Schedule 1.

Wtf is happening

That is really depressing to hear. ie 7 years ago.

The threads on here about the ONS now seem to have been on the "kind" side ie thinking they had only recently come under pressure.

But sounds like they were captured maybe as much as a decade ago for it to be established in 2017.

And also depressing to know that up until now staff haven't felt able to speak out.

It's almost like there needs to be an annonymous helpline, particularly for Government and NHS employees to report where they have illegally been denied the right to the gender critical / sex based rights (beliefs).

Its almost beginning to look like the proposal to ammend the GRA going out for consultation was the biggest wake up bell and as important letting isolated individuals know they are not alone.

I have a friend at the ONS who said that the IWD splash on their internal pages one year had more articles from biological males than females. Not surprised.

Let's hope none of your children tell you they are trans. What happens, do you turn against them, disown them, kick them out. I'll leave you to your narrow minded thought process.

Well done for exposing your prejudices. If you have come on FWR in good faith you would have taken time to read threads and find out some of the issues and concerns that posters have.

And you would have found there have been endless threads from mothers desperate for support in relationship to one of their children wanting to transition.

And you would have known, and educated yourself about how heartbreaking and tiring this can be.

But also know that some who struggle to support but not affirm their child/ren will later come back and say that after some rough pages their child/ren have escaped the false narrative that transitioning will resolve their in fact fairly typical teen worries and fears about moving into adulthood.

And as said by a PP, you portray your bias by using the descriptively sloppy but coercive rainbow soup heading that was dreampt up by Stonewall to just get more streams of funding.

There is absolutely NOTHING in common between people who are same sex attracted, ie a physical reality, with people who have "ideneties" or are so tormented by "gender norms" that they think they cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. The biggest conversion therapy campaign against lesbians, gays and bisexuals is the trans community.

@LoobiJee

I remember the good old days of The Workplace (Health, Safety & Welfare) Regulations 1992 - when everyone knew the definition of ‘men’ and ‘women’ and it didn’t include males demanding access to women’s spaces.

Prior to the last census I attended a focus group run by the ONS discussing Trans inclusion in the census. It was clear they were completely captured right from the start. They used Cis and gave a very garbled explanation of it. Lots of agreement with the group when see was described as old fashioned. Insisting that I had a gender identity.

I gave feedback raising these concerns. A few emails were sent back and forth and then they just stopped replying. I chased them and never received a response.

This has been going on years. The focus group I attended was a box ticking exercise

Sue Ferns, of the Prospect union, said: "This case reveals a shocking lack of diversity among economists at ONS and what seems like the deliberate overlooking of female candidates in favour of men."

this paragraph from the bbc stands out a mile

it was clear years ago that there was company capture, a dominant ideology.

I expect nobody is brave enough to speak up, not when you face a disciplinary for doing so

And telling them they are not allowed to get changed away from men. Or be partially undressed in the presence of men.

Which could lead to people making assumptions about the sort of person they are, their motivations.

Given that in reality the number of trans women in the population, with or with a GRC is a small percentage, there seems to be a disproportionate number of TW in quite senior positions within organisastions and institutions that influence how society is run.

Which is worse? That they have so easily got these jobs or that it was / is all part of a plan by the not so hidden network of friendships that every now and agains becomes less hidden than usual.

All this time was have the MSM focusing on the tired old ritual of left versus right, when the actual narrative was men seeking news ways to dominate and under cut women.

please provide evidence of this transwoman who was raped more than 200 times in men's jail.

I know what this person is referring to and it's an Australian case in about 1990. So it's horrible, but they have to go out of the country and 35 odd years ago to find an example.

That is absolutely horrendous. Male sexual violence in jail, massive failure to protect a vulnerable prisoner from other men. Of course the first duty of care of prison authorities is to protect from violence and manage the risk of that. Which is why no men should be in women's prisons, ever.

Nicely done!

Gosh! Aren't you quite the charmer.

I didn't know Tony Blair had transitioned!

PP have pointed out that the HSE Workplace Regulations 1992 mandate separate toilet provision for men and women. That hasn't changed, but the interpretation of 'men' and 'women' has.

Stonewall advice is:

This has always happened and nobody minds.

Trans-exclusive toilets are discriminatory (they are not completely wrong, if no alternative is provided)

Trans exclusion would have to serve a legitimate and proportionate aim and that test has not been passed.

My dream court case:

Yes, we do mind.

You should stop disadvantaging trans people by not giving them their own space.

Safety, dignity and fairness for women, and for both men and women who for religious reasons need sex segregation for private functions, is a LAPA which justifies slightly inconveniencing trans people.

And this is exactly the problem with the new consultation for public toilets talking about making them fully enclosed even for separate sex toilets. This has come, I think, as a direct result of men going into women’s toilets due to this ideology. And that phonecameras get stuck under cubicle doors.

What could be more vulnerable than being in an inaccessible enclosed space having a medical emergency? It means that medically vulnerable people with certain conditions such as epileptics and diabetics are less safe but any of us could feel ill and head for the loo and have a stroke/heart attack/haemorrhage/collapse. And there’s also the increase risk of assault in someone gets into that space with you. And also not being able to be accessed in a building evacuation. And then hygiene (cleaning and ventilation difficulties).

When I read the government toilet consultation and it said the single sex blocks fully enclosed is good for disabled people as they could have carers in I realised it was an able bodied man who had written it. As schools have found out, mixed sex fully enclosed toilets mean 2 different sexed pupils go inside but not for ‘personal care’. The system is broken if these enclosed toilets are thought to be best design for safety.