Spanish self ID

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Couldn't see a thread. Spanish men accused of DV are claiming to be TW and demanding access to the DV refuges where their wives and children have been housed.

<Awaits the poster who periodically informs us that counties with self ID have seen no issues>

https://twitter.com/lierrekeith/status/1773720699640705382

I also don’t like being deleted

but meh 🤷🏻

Poor Mishy. We can't smile without you!

I think more and more that some posters like the humiliation for motivations of their own.

@MishyJDI I am really interested, can you please explain how this could be managed properly under self-id? I’m sure you can’t really mean that it’s ok for the women to be attacked, then just deal with it afterwards?

God some people don't think before they type do they!

We have been told time and time again that anyone who says they are transgender are transgender. Thems the rules! We can't question that or not believe it. 100% capitulation has been demanded of us.

Add in Self ID, which removes any checks on the veracity of the statement that a man is a woman, and there is nothing to stop any man who wishes to from circumventing laws designed to help women.

But the response 'hold the frauds to account and prosecute them' is so illogical and idiotic that it makes me want to bang my head on a wall.

How in the fucking fuck can you prosecute someone and call them a fraud when the law specifically allows them to say they are whoever the hell they say/feel they are.

How do you tell the difference between the good man with special feelings in his head and the bad man with fraudulent special feelings in his head.

What part of self ID and if they say they are transgender then they are do trans rights activists not understand?

That is precisely what they mean.

When asked how many women and children harmed are UNacceptable levels of collateral damage in the interests of not making males sad, they never answer. But the ballpark seems to be N (where N = 'number already harmed') plus one. Forever.

It is entirely consistent (if I may use such a term) with the rest of this illogical and incoherent ideology.

This is horrific. Those poor women and their children, trying to live safely and in peace.

Are you suggesting that some trans people aren't real trans people?

That's transphobic. Cancel yourself.

It is. None of it makes sense because it's all based on fantasy.

It's really quite extraordinary that grown adults who should, and do, know better have allowed themselves to be complicit in the febrile imaginings of a handful of highly motivated men.

It should, of course, instantly preclude each and every one from ever holding a position with even the smallest amount of power.

Thank you for flagging that. It's a live example of how much of the narrative of "anti trans" sentiment is actually coming from supposed allies using extremist rhetoric to bolster their own political capital by inflating the threat and inflaming the fear.

The Spanish press is now reporting that two men in Galicia found guilty of hiring an assassin and disabling their victim, changed their identity documents to female , declared themselves lesbian and demanded any searching to be done by females. Eventually they were given places in a newly built mixed prison where it is presumed behaviour will be better so as not to lose their privileges . No other changes made in seeking this recognition of their identity.

this is clearly not equality in action.

Ahem

The poor women incarcerated with them. Horrifying to see it play out, despite all of the warnings feminists have been making for years.

Though consequences that were pointed out repeatedly before the Act was passed.

Time to quote philosophy professor and transwoman Sophie Grace Chappell: 'it wouldn't matter, actually, if there was a slight spike in those statistics'.

Just a reminder that this person is currently advising BACP, the UK's biggest membership body for counsellors and psychotherapists, on ethics.

It's not a men's rights movement though, women who object are just dinosaurs.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-monday-73e

Also Mishy’s comment about “shooting trans people” is only there so they can trot off and claim Mumsnetters are discussing it. When in fact no one has EVER suggested it except for the dishonest TRA wanting to stir the pot.

But I'm confused. Surely this rule, the offending rule, would mean at the very least there would be no 'frauds' in prison since offending means fraud. But male-pattern offending, then transitioning, then demanding a place in a female prison is a thing, right? And this is typically supported.

So confused.

There seems to be a lot of gender "fraud" happening in Spain atm doesn't there? There was another story that Glinner tweeted about recently. A bunch of men who have created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN) being sued by the Spanish equivalent of Stonewall because they aren't really "trans". This must be a serious case of be careful what you wish for and surely must put to bed the argument that nobody would ever go to the trouble of IDing as trans when they don't have a very special identity.

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

Still no response from Mishy about how you would go about proving fraud in a system of self-ID

I think it is rather eye opening actually what is happening in Spain and how women are getting the message out. Do you remember there was still some posters posting that there were no issues what so ever in countries with self ID? Well, what has happened in Spain since self ID shows those claims to be absolute bullshit.

Considering we have a system that is almost self ID here now, I think the Uk and the world is watching very closely.

But the only requirement is to sign a declaration saying they wish to change gender. By that token no fraud has been committed.

Which is exactly why self id with no gate keeping is a disaster

Trans or fraud?

https://x.com/anyabike/status/1774352582565138575?s=20

I think what you mean is whenever a trans identifying person behaves badly what it means is that they're "not really trans" -because as soon as you genuinely believe you are trans you Transmute into a divine and perfect being; a being that no longer aligns with the rest of humanity, or with human nature itself. Trans means Transcendent. It means that TW no longer carry or display any typical male behaviour or share in any typical male traits.

The Spanish vote for Self ID was very fruaght and by no means a straightforward win. The Left itself was torn and divided on the issue, and the conservatives ,should they have won the election ( they did actually get most of the recent votes, but not enough to form a government) vowed to immeditaely repeal the act. Spain is certainly one to watch to see how this is likely to unravel everywhere else.

Thanks @RebelliousCow that is reassuring. I would love to see some of the more idiotic pro-Trans legislation being withdrawn (well, I would love to see pretty much all of it being withdrawn but every little helps)