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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

London Mayoral election – voting as gender-critical

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PotteringPondering · 28/03/2024 19:48

I’m voting in the London mayoral election on 2 May, and interested to know how others plan to vote.

I’m gender-critical and the only candidate I think I can vote for is Amy Gallagher, the former Tavistock whistleblower.

She’s SDP (ie relatively small minority party), so I guess won’t stand much chance of being elected. But a strong vote for her would signal a resurgence of the only party consistently against gender ideology (other than KJK’s new Party of Women, who are not standing in the mayoral election).

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Albertslittletie · 29/03/2024 17:16

KellieJaysLapdog · 29/03/2024 17:03

Critical Race Theory seems a very ineffective way to tackle racism, why do you think it’s wrong to criticise it, Albert?

Why do you think it’s ineffective? On the surface it seems it’s because white folks are immediately defensive about white privilege and structural racism and unwilling to do the work to get past that.

Tinysoxxx · 29/03/2024 17:32

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:25

Absolutely, live and let live. That’s what I try to apply to everyone.

Absolutely live and let live. Particularly for anyone who is extremely vulnerable. That is why single sex toilets and changing rooms are the safest for everyone.

Mixed sex toilets are fully enclosed by law. That means medically vulnerable people such as my Dd who’s had seizures in toilets would not be seen if she collapsed. Anyone (regardless of sex or gender) when out and about and feeling like they are about to be ill heads to the loo. Like the actress Emilia Clarke when she had a brain haemorrhage and got rescued by a women in the next cubicle. Heart attacks, strokes, hypos and even self harm and drug/alcohol abuse.

That’s why single sex toilets let live. There’s gaps top and bottom of the doors for safety and safeguarding. And why gender ideology and the resulting encroachment of mixed sex toilets in public spaces will result in the absolute opposite of this.

KellieJaysLapdog · 29/03/2024 17:33

Most of the criticism I’ve read has been from black academics (eg John
McWhorter, Glenn Loury).

Albertslittletie · 29/03/2024 17:37

KellieJaysLapdog · 29/03/2024 17:36

The above comment was a reply to @Albertslittletie.

I found this book to be useful for understanding how CRT doesn’t actually address any systemic wrongs, just makes society more divided.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696856/woke-racism-by-john-mcwhorter/

Was this also Amy Gallaghers reason to find it ineffective?

KellieJaysLapdog · 29/03/2024 17:41

I don’t know much about Amy Gallagher - perhaps you could read a bit of John McWhorter and compare? There are lots of interviews of McWhorter on YouTube if you aren’t up for reading a whole book.

The Religion of Anti-Racism with John McWhorter

This is an excerpt of my conversation with John McWhorter. In this miniclip John and I discuss the third wave Anti-Racist movement. The episode is out for my...

https://youtu.be/bcTSnV_x2TY?si=6rT9YGShXQ7oTYgZ

IwantToRetire · 29/03/2024 17:41

Hang on, you've been posting on this board for months! It appears you don't actually understand what gender critical means.

Of course they do. This is just part of a pattern of bogging down as many threads as possible bygetting other posters to respond, so that the actual issue is lost.

Best to skim over and use your time and energy positively - imo!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/03/2024 17:42

Years, not months.

IwantToRetire · 29/03/2024 17:56

Personally I think having a Mayor is a complete waste of time and money, particularly at a time when local councils who are (meant to be) the providers of essential services are short of money.

I think Sadiq Khan is very similar to Starmer, all veneer and no substance.

He has been consistently cutting bus services whilst pontificating about how more Londoners should take public transport. His implementation of cycle routes has been at the expense of many local communites, disruption to bus routes and made what is already an unsafe environment for people with disabilities, worse.

And even if nothing else the fact that he is witholding the data on air quality that has already been prepared for a report until after the election is just part of his supreme arrogance.

And of course his treatment of Joan Smith is just an insult to women.

And as for the Met. He just goes for screaming headlines and does FA.

He just gets plaudits because for many people he isn't a Tory. He could say anything and they wouldn't bother to think through the implication.

And the idea that having a Labour politician as a mayor would do anything about housing is just ignoring the realities. The boroughs with the worst record on housing are all Labour. (I live in one of them)

I dont know how people still hang onto this romanticised notion that Labour is for "ordinary" people. They seem to support Labour because of what Labour said (but didn't always do) back in the 1950s and 60s.

Quite honestly, although I dont revere him in any way, I think it is a real shame that Ken Livingstone didn't stand for Mayor. (I think this is because he is going to stand as an independent in the next GE).

What has having a Mayor for London done for Londoners?

(edited for many typos)

Lion400 · 29/03/2024 18:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 22:48

Sorry, I disagree. Child poverty and homelessness are my priorities, whatever the sex of the person living with them.

I’m a 59 year old woman. I’m aware of having encountered 3 transgender people in my lifetime. I suspect my experience is common. The number of people whose lives are blighted by poverty and homelessness is vast.

You may or may not realise it but just in case. The issue is not about ‘trans people’. It is about women. And women’ and children’s, female rights.

Khan is a Labour droid who probably ‘believes’ thousands of women have penises. Has anyone asked him?

Some background about why this isn’t a trans issue but a women’s issue. In the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC (Gender Recognition Certificate )nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows.

Extreme trans ideology is a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government and Labour mayor of London - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

Def don’t vote for Khan if you believe in women’s and children’s rights not being violated by men.

The only way to change the current situation is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

maltravers · 29/03/2024 18:11

I wonder if Mrs Skyler White is telling trans people that their concerns are so minor as to be irrelevant and they should be focussing on [insert what aboutery topic du jour] rather than banging on about trans issues..?

chattyness · 29/03/2024 18:18

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 22:48

Sorry, I disagree. Child poverty and homelessness are my priorities, whatever the sex of the person living with them.

I’m a 59 year old woman. I’m aware of having encountered 3 transgender people in my lifetime. I suspect my experience is common. The number of people whose lives are blighted by poverty and homelessness is vast.

I'm also a 59 year old woman but women's rights, our single sex protected spaces, services, our descriptive language & our boundaries are so precious & important. It would be my main focus too if I had a vote there. For for my protection & for my daughter my granddaughters, my autistic grandson and all the future generations to come.

MCOut · 29/03/2024 20:35

PotteringPondering · 29/03/2024 07:31

Slurs about the alleged motives of political figures, and about people who post on this site in good faith, do not count as grown-up political discussion.

Please. This woman is not the GC whistleblower it is very much a side issue. She is very open about what she stands for, race is front and centre and at least she’s honest about so the members of the public can immediately see her as the danger that she is. You do not get on here to drum up support for such people in good faith.

user1471453601 · 29/03/2024 20:56

@Crankywiddershins I do believe people can hold more than one thought in their head, that's exactly why I was asking the opening poster what else they cared about.

Mrbumpssmile · 30/03/2024 00:44

IwantToRetire · 30/03/2024 00:32

List of candidates and brief outline of (some of?) their policies.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/city-hall-candidates-standing-london-135650990.html

Well, looking through that list, there are clearly a lot of nutters.

I'll probably vote for Sadiq Kahn because he seems to be the only one who cares about pollution — which is a major, serious problem and top of my priorities — and housing, ditto, though I'm not convinced he's offering enough.

Usually, I'd vote Green as they do in fact address the important issues ... except the fiascos and expulsions and anti-science attitudes are just embarrassing and destructive.

Lion400 · 30/03/2024 08:09

God not much choice there is there, bit like the GE will be. Woman hater or others. I moved out of London a few years ago, having lived there for 20yrs. The best time mayor wise was def Ken Livingstone. A stage none else has stepped up, SK destroyed parts of the area in which I lived.

PotteringPondering · 05/04/2024 18:14

IwantToRetire · 05/04/2024 18:09

This is the official list of candidates and their mini- manefestos.

https://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/candidates/mayoral-candidates

Helpful, thanks.

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Shouldntbepostingthis · 06/04/2024 14:14

Albertslittletie · 29/03/2024 17:16

Why do you think it’s ineffective? On the surface it seems it’s because white folks are immediately defensive about white privilege and structural racism and unwilling to do the work to get past that.

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maltravers · 06/04/2024 21:08

I don’t understand why people are banging on about white supremacy on this thread. Londoners have voted in a brown Muslim guy the last two times, I voted for him myself. Those who are aiming to stir up racial division should have a good look in the mirror.

JessS1990 · 06/04/2024 21:50

Lion400 · 29/03/2024 18:05

You may or may not realise it but just in case. The issue is not about ‘trans people’. It is about women. And women’ and children’s, female rights.

Khan is a Labour droid who probably ‘believes’ thousands of women have penises. Has anyone asked him?

Some background about why this isn’t a trans issue but a women’s issue. In the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC (Gender Recognition Certificate )nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows.

Extreme trans ideology is a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government and Labour mayor of London - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

Def don’t vote for Khan if you believe in women’s and children’s rights not being violated by men.

The only way to change the current situation is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

Edited

May I say I am impressed that you know what someone believes whilst simaltaneously saying that no one has asked them.

Lion400 · 07/04/2024 08:34

JessS1990 · 06/04/2024 21:50

May I say I am impressed that you know what someone believes whilst simaltaneously saying that no one has asked them.

That might have been a good point if I hadn’t said ‘probably believes’. But don’t let accurate comprehension get in the way.

Tabasco007 · 07/04/2024 08:36

PotteringPondering · 28/03/2024 19:48

I’m voting in the London mayoral election on 2 May, and interested to know how others plan to vote.

I’m gender-critical and the only candidate I think I can vote for is Amy Gallagher, the former Tavistock whistleblower.

She’s SDP (ie relatively small minority party), so I guess won’t stand much chance of being elected. But a strong vote for her would signal a resurgence of the only party consistently against gender ideology (other than KJK’s new Party of Women, who are not standing in the mayoral election).

Oh thanks, I'll be voting in that and it's good to know there is a SDP person, I'll look in to it a bit more, but likely she'll get my vote.