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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

London Mayoral election – voting as gender-critical

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PotteringPondering · 28/03/2024 19:48

I’m voting in the London mayoral election on 2 May, and interested to know how others plan to vote.

I’m gender-critical and the only candidate I think I can vote for is Amy Gallagher, the former Tavistock whistleblower.

She’s SDP (ie relatively small minority party), so I guess won’t stand much chance of being elected. But a strong vote for her would signal a resurgence of the only party consistently against gender ideology (other than KJK’s new Party of Women, who are not standing in the mayoral election).

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MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:13

Because, SoreAndTired1, I don’t understand the hate for transgender people on this board, to the exclusion of issues far more pressing to the lives of the majority of women in the real world. This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning. It’s just not something that the majority of women devote much time or attention to.

The Conservative Government has inflicted misery on millions, particularly women, for 14 years. The idea that some appear to have been suckered into voting them in again at the next election because think tanks and AI have advised central office that suddenly knowing what a woman is after years of disregard may mop up a few votes is just appalling.

SoreAndTired1 · 28/03/2024 23:15

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:13

Because, SoreAndTired1, I don’t understand the hate for transgender people on this board, to the exclusion of issues far more pressing to the lives of the majority of women in the real world. This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning. It’s just not something that the majority of women devote much time or attention to.

The Conservative Government has inflicted misery on millions, particularly women, for 14 years. The idea that some appear to have been suckered into voting them in again at the next election because think tanks and AI have advised central office that suddenly knowing what a woman is after years of disregard may mop up a few votes is just appalling.

For goodness sake, you just....don't.....GET....IT, do you? It's not 'hate' for 'transgender people'! No one 'hates' men. We JUST DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR SPACES! Ffs, how hard is that to understand?

Why do you HATE women and girls human rights?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 28/03/2024 23:19

… and in my case, I don’t want my son damaging his perfectly good body in a futile attempt to be, in some poorly defined sense, “a woman”. I think he’s been had. He is autistic, and has some difficulty with societal expectations of men. If there’s anything else to it, he seems unable to explain it. Whatever his motivations, he’s being led along a path which is doing him no good, and I am fearful of the consequences to him, and in the worst case scenario, other people.

ResisterRex · 28/03/2024 23:19

This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning.

Lammysaurus, is that you? 😆

porridgecake · 28/03/2024 23:20

Crowd justice suspended fund raising for Allison Bailey. I think they actually closed down her page. I never leave them a tip now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:21

You say “we”. What gives you the right to speak for all women?
The majority simply have other priorities. Like feeding, housing and treating people, of whatever sex, when they are sick.
Polls demonstrate this time and time again. How hard is that to understand?

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:24

ResisterRex · Today 23:19
This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning.

Lammysaurus, is that you? 😆

🤣

No, not a politician.

SoreAndTired1 · 28/03/2024 23:24

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:21

You say “we”. What gives you the right to speak for all women?
The majority simply have other priorities. Like feeding, housing and treating people, of whatever sex, when they are sick.
Polls demonstrate this time and time again. How hard is that to understand?

We, are feminists like myself on here that care about women and girls rights.

I don't care if others have other priorities. It doesn't make them right or us wrong. Stop trying to bully women on here who have other priorities than you. We are allowed to think differently to you, though you seem determined to try and bully us to think your way. Our priorities are our priorities. Yours, are yours. Live and let live.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:25

Absolutely, live and let live. That’s what I try to apply to everyone.

porridgecake · 28/03/2024 23:28

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:13

Because, SoreAndTired1, I don’t understand the hate for transgender people on this board, to the exclusion of issues far more pressing to the lives of the majority of women in the real world. This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning. It’s just not something that the majority of women devote much time or attention to.

The Conservative Government has inflicted misery on millions, particularly women, for 14 years. The idea that some appear to have been suckered into voting them in again at the next election because think tanks and AI have advised central office that suddenly knowing what a woman is after years of disregard may mop up a few votes is just appalling.

I have a problem with an ideology that promotes sterilising and mutilating autistic and vulnerable children. This is what the trans ideology promotes. I will not vote for a party or candidate who supports that or fails to condemn it. So that rules out the Tories, (this all happened on their watch) Labour, Lib dems and Greens.

maltravers · 28/03/2024 23:29

It doesn’t come up on the doorstep 🙄 (or if it does we curl our lips in disdain at the wrongthink, close our ears and walk off).

Trans people - live your lives as you see fit , but your rights don’t trump mine as a woman, hands off my rights.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:47

maltravers · Today 23:29
It doesn’t come up on the doorstep 🙄 (or if it does we curl our lips in disdain at the wrongthink, close our ears and walk off).
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Trans people - live your lives as you see fit , but your rights don’t trump mine as a woman, hands off my rights.”

Yes, completely agree with your second paragraph. Fact is though, it’s just not as much of a priority with the majority of women in real life as it is on boards such as this. Nothing to do with wrongthink. More like non-think, as poll after poll testifies. transgender issues rarely appears in the top 10 of peoples’ priorities.
To attempt to re-elect an appalling government on a single issue that it doesn’t give a flying fuck about but has been advised may win a few votes in desperate times is ill-advised at best, irresponsible at worst.

maltravers · 29/03/2024 00:29

This Thread is about the London Mayoral elections. As it happens, I’ve voted for Khan twice before. I like his work on cleaning up London’s air, but not his attitude to women - so supercilious and dismissive of our concerns. What is it with Left Labour men, why the misogyny? He’s lucky to be up against Hall this time imo. She won’t be getting my vote, but I’m not sure he will either.

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/03/2024 00:36

Opinions are the same in London. P
The electorate doesn’t place this issue highly on its list of priorities.

IwantToRetire · 29/03/2024 01:05

During the last London Mayoral elections, the SDP were the only ones who has something aproaching a GC stance apart from Lawrence Fox. But according to the local news was an hour too late in filing his papers to stand as a candidate this time. That could have presented a tricky GC choice!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/03/2024 05:24

Laurence Fox would never get my vote in any circumstances. Am I right in thinking this election is first past the post, not single transferable vote?

MCOut · 29/03/2024 06:18

This is a windup post. This woman is no better than Laurence Fox. The entire basis of her campaign is to make life difficult for people of colour and GC views seem to be a convenient tacked on vehicle by which to achieve this.

EasternStandard · 29/03/2024 06:18

ResisterRex · 28/03/2024 23:19

This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning.

Lammysaurus, is that you? 😆

Ha at this.

Labour use the doorstep line all the time and likely brief it out not to talk about it if it comes up

Interesting to see it picked up here by Labour supporters, how would they know what people talk about unless they are there

ExcitingRicotta · 29/03/2024 06:26

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:13

Because, SoreAndTired1, I don’t understand the hate for transgender people on this board, to the exclusion of issues far more pressing to the lives of the majority of women in the real world. This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning. It’s just not something that the majority of women devote much time or attention to.

The Conservative Government has inflicted misery on millions, particularly women, for 14 years. The idea that some appear to have been suckered into voting them in again at the next election because think tanks and AI have advised central office that suddenly knowing what a woman is after years of disregard may mop up a few votes is just appalling.

Well said.

I also don’t want men in women’s spaces but the fact is I lead a busy life in our capital and I have NEVER encountered a man in a woman’s space. Why would I prioritise voting for something that isn’t a problem NOW when there are so many things that have spiralled drastically over the last decade?

Crankywiddershins · 29/03/2024 07:24

user1471453601 · 28/03/2024 21:54

@PotteringPondering is gender your one and only concern? Are there not oTher issues you care about?

You might find it difficult to believe but some humans can hold more than one thought in their head simultaneously.

Crankywiddershins · 29/03/2024 07:27

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 22:54

I’m a woman. I’ve listed my priorities. What’s wrong with that?

And no one is criticising you for having them. But I think it's still legal for people to think differently to you.

Westfacing · 29/03/2024 07:29

JennyAuker · 28/03/2024 21:23

@Westfacing can I ask why re Sadiq Khan? To be clear this is a genuine question with no agenda. I’ve just so much bad I’m genuinely interested to hear something good. As I say, no agenda, real curiosity.

With no great enthusiasm I must say but what's the realistic alternative?

I'm generally a Labour voter and will be voting so at the GE

Crankywiddershins · 29/03/2024 07:30

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/03/2024 23:13

Because, SoreAndTired1, I don’t understand the hate for transgender people on this board, to the exclusion of issues far more pressing to the lives of the majority of women in the real world. This issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning. It’s just not something that the majority of women devote much time or attention to.

The Conservative Government has inflicted misery on millions, particularly women, for 14 years. The idea that some appear to have been suckered into voting them in again at the next election because think tanks and AI have advised central office that suddenly knowing what a woman is after years of disregard may mop up a few votes is just appalling.

There's no hate for trans people. Pro women does not equal anti trans! It's almost as if some posters deliberately don't understand basic English.

PotteringPondering · 29/03/2024 07:31

MCOut · 29/03/2024 06:18

This is a windup post. This woman is no better than Laurence Fox. The entire basis of her campaign is to make life difficult for people of colour and GC views seem to be a convenient tacked on vehicle by which to achieve this.

Slurs about the alleged motives of political figures, and about people who post on this site in good faith, do not count as grown-up political discussion.

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Crankywiddershins · 29/03/2024 07:33

@MrsSkylerWhite "this issue rarely comes up on the doorstep during campaigning"

you're Sir Kier Starmer and I claim my five pounds reward!