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KJK’s insane rant

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Dontblameitonsunshine · 26/03/2024 09:38

Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Part 2 - #FirstDoNoHarm although maybe #FirstDoSomeHarm - what will it take for medics to catch up?

This is the original #AdultHumanFemale channel and home of Kellie-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker.If you would like to donate to help support us, click here ⇨ http...

https://youtu.be/H509BAh59ak?si=tyTVneh2Jiz0rY6T

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DrLouiseJMoody · 03/04/2024 13:01

I've never thought LWS operates remotely like a charity. Rather, like other endeavours, I assume profits go towards funding events and, yes, some for KJK. I'm unsure what the great controversy is supposed to be here since she's never claimed otherwise.

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:03

Missed a step Datun. The accusations about other posters followed by the derogation and denigration of the current FWR board.

Yes, and I'm sure you, like me, are perfectly aware of where many of those banned posters are now. Still saying the same, and still supporting women like KJK.

The board itself evolved, along with the rest of the country. It wasn't 'taken over'.

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 13:03

The modern internet is awash with Patreon, Subscribe Star, Buy Me A Coffee, Donate Via PayPal, Superchat, Substack Paid Subscription, Go Fund Me, CrowdJustice options.

Why shouldn’t KJK use them? Pretty much all YouTubers do.

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:06

AdamRyan · 02/04/2024 12:13

People like JCJ and WPUK felt that KJK wasn't ideologically pure enough for them.

What I've read suggests again that's an overly simplistic view.
Some of them felt personally betrayed. Some objected to her islamophobic language. Some objected to her connections with the right. Boiling that down to "ideologically pure" suggests that people can't have their own boundaries about who they associate with and what behaviours they tolerate.

Some objected to her connections with the right. is what I actually wrote. Linked JH as an example. Also linked an article where the media regulator in NZ dismissed claims she'd been misrepresented.

So saying I'm "misrepresenting her" is simply untrue.

BackCats · 03/04/2024 13:06

Helleofabore · 03/04/2024 12:33

Missed a step Datun. The accusations about other posters followed by the derogation and denigration of the current FWR board.

What is really interesting is in listening to that feminist current podcast, Kellie Jay brought up Ditani and how Ditani was 'hard line'. (However, remember we are constantly told that apparently the previous FWR before the split was not so hard line and it was a golden time....) The point is that I wasn't around at that time, but KJK speaks very forthrightly about how Ditani's posts impacted her. I suspect that it was that style of posting that shaped KJK's hard line.

And I do think that having someone lay down a hard line that seems so controversial to some who want to reject it means that ultimately the situation edges closer to that hard line over time. I think we can say we have seen this in action now over the past years. If that 'hard line' forces evaluation, I am all for having that discussed whether I agree with it or not.

This is interesting- because Kiera Bell was affected by KJKs uncompromising position which was influenced by Dittany’s, so although it is frustrating and depressing how people who take a hard line and refuse to compromise are frozen out and monstered, their persuasive messages and the consequences of those messages are long lasting and far reaching.

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:07

Guess who also has a donate button. And a legacy button. And a Fundraise button. And a Shop button.

Hope not Hate!

BackCats · 03/04/2024 13:08

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:07

Guess who also has a donate button. And a legacy button. And a Fundraise button. And a Shop button.

Hope not Hate!

😂

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:08

Jellycats4life · 03/04/2024 11:43

You don’t keep bringing up Jean Hatchet’s blog post to illustrate Jean’s personal boundaries, you cited it as proof of KJK’s far right associations. Over and over.

^

I "keep bringing it up" because people insist on misquoting me and asking loads of questions.

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:10

DrLouiseJMoody · 03/04/2024 13:01

I've never thought LWS operates remotely like a charity. Rather, like other endeavours, I assume profits go towards funding events and, yes, some for KJK. I'm unsure what the great controversy is supposed to be here since she's never claimed otherwise.

There isn't one. It's manufactured in order to attempt a gotcha.

And the problem with moaning about the money she gets, and what it's used for, is it no one cares, because it's collective.

Individually, it's fuck all.

Most women who donate or buy merch will think it's a bloody bargain given what she does for women, and the amplification of that across the world.

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:12

OldCrone · 03/04/2024 11:38

I've found some more quotes from that interview here:
https://savageminds.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie

Including this, about the grooming gangs. I've bolded the bit which refers to the likes of Tommy Robinson stepping in to make this all a race issue.

The reason why [Tommy Robinson]….is of any note….—and I am assured by women on the ground...where grooming gangs existed….there were women fighting it, right. However, it didn’t make it to the mainstream media until massive, great big ruptures. And so, what that did—and there was a culture of “Let’s not be racist”... and also “These girls are losers” and “they probably want to be prostitutes at 15”—all of those things tied in together left a gaping hole for someone to come in and say, “Well, 90% of all the men that….we’ve arrested for grooming are Pakistani or Muslim or Somali...They’re all Muslims, so let’s talk about Muslim grooming gangs”...If you can’t talk about these things, you leave them open for people with ill motives to talk about them and make it their cause. And that is exactly what happened. So, I’ve just continued to...say... it’s the fault of the left. If the police force had dealt with those grooming gangs..., there would be no room for anyone to capitalise that void.

How can you spin this as support for the racists? All she's done is observe that the failure of the police to take action or the media to report on it left a gap which allowed the far right to claim this as a race issue.

Because this is just incorrect:

Well, 90% of all the men that….we’ve arrested for grooming are Pakistani or Muslim or Somali...They’re all Muslims, so let’s talk about Muslim grooming gangs

That's untrue, it's islamophobic and it's exactly the sort of thing far right people say.

Meanwhile you can't even see that it's wrong, and are merrily bolding it and promoting it in your quest to make KJK sem reasonable.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

The back of a girl's head

Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say?

Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of some high-profile gangs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

Helleofabore · 03/04/2024 13:12

"If you want to contribute, you get exactly what you pay for."

I hope so. I gave her some cold hard cash and told her to buy herself something to drink when she got to Australia. I really hope she did it.

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:14

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 13:03

The modern internet is awash with Patreon, Subscribe Star, Buy Me A Coffee, Donate Via PayPal, Superchat, Substack Paid Subscription, Go Fund Me, CrowdJustice options.

Why shouldn’t KJK use them? Pretty much all YouTubers do.

Yes I'm sceptical of nearly all YouTube. Opinions for clicks should not be a way of making a living. People shouldn't be requesting "donations" just for existing. It's like a black mirror episode.

Helleofabore · 03/04/2024 13:14

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:07

Guess who also has a donate button. And a legacy button. And a Fundraise button. And a Shop button.

Hope not Hate!

I noticed. Maybe they need the increased funds to actually do some research so that people who use them as resources and never bother to check because 'journalists', may actually find some journalistic integrity in the information the site presents.

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:15

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:08

^

I "keep bringing it up" because people insist on misquoting me and asking loads of questions.

Well just be clear then.

Do you, personally, agree with those people that she associates with the far right?

Or not?

It's my opinion that you keep hiding behind other people statements, so you can attempt a bit of plausible deniability. Which obviously only works in your head.

But now you've got the chance to make your deniability more than plausible, you can make it definite.

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 13:15

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:14

Yes I'm sceptical of nearly all YouTube. Opinions for clicks should not be a way of making a living. People shouldn't be requesting "donations" just for existing. It's like a black mirror episode.

Best get campaigning to take the internet away from normies then.

BezMills · 03/04/2024 13:16

There's a noticable contrast between the laziness of the smears and complete lack of diligence, and the considerable sustained effort to post screeds and screeds and screeds of hand-typed argumentation off the back of such thin gruel.

It's like butter spread over too much toast. Like one of those 5g patties you get in a BnB, spread over a create of Mother's Pride (end-bits included)

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:16

AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:07

Guess who also has a donate button. And a legacy button. And a Fundraise button. And a Shop button.

Hope not Hate!

And like the other examples upthread - guess what Hope not Hate is?

You guessed right! Its a charity folks. But KJK is nothing like a charity. Only a fool would mistakenly donate her money thinking it was being used for charitable purposes, rather than for her personal income.

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:18

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 13:15

Best get campaigning to take the internet away from normies then.

I think we should definitely have more rules around the Internet and online harms, and do support that kind of work.

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:18

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:14

Yes I'm sceptical of nearly all YouTube. Opinions for clicks should not be a way of making a living. People shouldn't be requesting "donations" just for existing. It's like a black mirror episode.

'Just for existing'

KJK’s insane rant
AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:19

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:14

Yes I'm sceptical of nearly all YouTube. Opinions for clicks should not be a way of making a living. People shouldn't be requesting "donations" just for existing. It's like a black mirror episode.

Guess who has a you tube channel.

Hope not hate!

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:20

Only a fool would mistakenly donate her money thinking it was being used for charitable purposes, rather than for her personal income.

'Fools'

KJK’s insane rant
AlisonDonut · 03/04/2024 13:23

Guess who has had more than one company dissolved and renamed.

Hope not hate!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2024 13:25

Great work @Datun, @Helleofabore and others.

And I like your thinly spread toast analogy @BezMills

Datun · 03/04/2024 13:27

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:16

And like the other examples upthread - guess what Hope not Hate is?

You guessed right! Its a charity folks. But KJK is nothing like a charity. Only a fool would mistakenly donate her money thinking it was being used for charitable purposes, rather than for her personal income.

When people, I can't remember if it was you, complained that she had a nice hotel room in Australia, or New Zealand, and that everyone was a fool for giving her money to get it, did you not notice everyone saying we want her to have it? We don't care if she bathes in champagne?

Do you think women don't mean that?

OldCrone · 03/04/2024 13:28

AdamRyan · 03/04/2024 13:12

Because this is just incorrect:

Well, 90% of all the men that….we’ve arrested for grooming are Pakistani or Muslim or Somali...They’re all Muslims, so let’s talk about Muslim grooming gangs

That's untrue, it's islamophobic and it's exactly the sort of thing far right people say.

Meanwhile you can't even see that it's wrong, and are merrily bolding it and promoting it in your quest to make KJK sem reasonable.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

That's untrue, it's islamophobic and it's exactly the sort of thing far right people say.

That's exactly her point.

all of those things tied in together left a gaping hole for someone to come in and say, “Well, 90% of all the men that….we’ve arrested for grooming are Pakistani or Muslim or Somali...They’re all Muslims, so let’s talk about Muslim grooming gangs”

Selectively quoting and missing out the point that she said the action (or inaction) of the police, the left and the media left a gaping hole for someone to come in and say those things.

You have completely reversed the meaning of what she said. She's not saying those things, she's critical of those saying those things as well as being critical of the police and others who failed to take action.

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