KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

What. A. Bitch.

Apologies that I can't remember who said it but Suffragettes and Suffragists got mentioned by someone further up the thread. It's worth bringing them back up again at this juncture I feel:

Most people remember the Suffragettes, not the Suffragists. In fact many people either won't have even heard of the Suffragists, or will get them muddled like this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13088723/Sadiq-Khan-slammed-Millicent-Fawcett-Suffragette-line-Overground.html

Both were needed to make change happen, and both contributed.

But history remembers the most disruptive far more than those who quietly shifted things in the background. Obviously the disruptors are divisive. But that's OK.... Yes, I find the words she used about the doctors and parents caught up in this to be unhelpful, but equally, I'm glad that all of is getting sunlight. If I were a doctor who went to the conference, who is desperately trying to move the Overton window within the NHS and having to do it in ways that were indirectly aiming towards a goal, I'm not sure how I'd feel about the label she slapped on me. Hopefully most would shrug it off and see it as a reminder not to compromise. It would be a shame if they saw it as an attack on their ego and then, to protect themselves from further attack, decided that anything she stood for was just noise. That's the real risk when it comes to this type of disruptive energy/approach. I should imagine a similar dynamic played out in society during the time of the Suffragists and Suffragettes.

Yes. It is quite interesting just how someone who doesn’t like her can’t just scroll by a thread about her. They have to join in spreading misinformation or warning us of something to add to her sins.

And if people point out that the posts are not relevant or are misrepresentations or are posted not for the benefit of readers but to portray the subject of the thread in a poor light unfairly then people are labelled lapdogs, or ‘fans’ or whatever. That in itself is a warning that the person posting has little ability to consider things preportionately.

I think most posting have a realist view of Kellie Jay Keen. She is certainly brave and she works hard. She is also someone who does most of her work unscripted and she can word things clumsily and what she says can be disjointed. But the reality is that she is out there and doing things. She is holding events that still work and she is committed.

I don’t believe anyone agrees with everything she has ever said about the topic. And why should anyone agree 100% with anyone else.

Cutting through all her words on the video, does she raise discussion worthy points? Yes. We should be discussing the points. No medical professionals are beyond being scrutinised. There should be no special group that are not scrutinised.

And she doesn’t point any fingers at specific people.

She is rightly saying anyone who spoke at the conference who still promoted even the ‘there are some special cases where puberty blockers will help’ is still talking about children and there is still not enough evidence to definitively say that these treatments improve the life of that child that they are not ‘first do no harm’.

That there is still no way to confidently say that the child they prescribe medication to would not be served better to not have that medication and to make the decision as an adult. Ie if they still persisted into adulthood and hadn’t desisted because of changing their minds which medicalisation will make all that much unlikely.

People can criticise how she says it all they like. If you notice the people who focus on what she says get the usual debate and asked to clarify etc. Of course people are going to not accept attack posts and those who use undermining tactics without discussing the things she said. Because they are bad faith and only posting to smear.

I don’t think any posters on this thread are under the illusion that she can’t misstep. But is this video worthy of the attack and the smears? No.

It’s her fault it’s been raining since October, I just know it.

Was that back in the supposed golden era of the other board that some posters hark back to?

That or you've assumed the women on here don't think about what they spend their money on and that they are incapable of doing any due diligence before deciding to hand their money over to someone, which to many is rather insulting and patronising.

It’s standard operating procedure. We gave you a choice and you chose wrong so obviously you need to be re-educated by your moral superiors.

It’s for your own good, doncha know?

I wasn't here very much back then. I think I remember her, but it might be kind of acquired folk memory to be honest. ETA in reply to @Helleofabore

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I've made my dough for bread and pizza and am now off outside. To the top of my garden. To the potting shed. To prick out seedlings. I've taken the frozen pizza sauce that I made last summer from tomatoes that I grew in my GARDEN, OUTSIDE out of the freezer to thaw ready for lunch.

I will walk under the magpie nest in my Silk Tree. Past the hedge where the hedgehogs live. I'll bung some food out for the feral kitties that live in the garden. They've already been fed once as the first thing I do each day is to LEAVE THE HOUSE and go INTO THE GARDEN to feed the kitties.

I'll sieve the compost for the seedlings as I make all my own compost, outside.

I'll water them with water I've saved in my GARDEN, OUTSIDE as it will have filled up already with the rain as I moved 300l of water to a storage water butt yesterday, when I was OUTSIDE, in my GARDEN.

I only really come in during the day to cook, eat or sleep.

Or to harrange some poor bloke dissing a woman who continually puts herself into the firing line whilst I am happy, in my garden, pricking out seedlings, making my own compost, building my own raised beds with my own tools, and growing my own veg OUTSIDE, in my GARDEN.

fwiw I find you're a good value poster @AlisonDonut . I'm glad you're living the dream of early retirement

not that I'm massively jalous or anything mumble mumble had our DD quite late and working until 60 probably at least

It was the publicity that KJK garnered that made me listen to what she was actually saying rather than to the people criticising what she said. I’m an adult and more importantly to me, I’m a Mother, that lived in ignorance of the harms the TRA movement was pushing.

I don’t know her, I’ve never been to any of her LWS events, but one overriding fact about her is that she comes across as passionate, expressive, spirited and forceful.

Some people may feel that it’s not how women should present themselves, that we should be quiet and meek in the face of the obvious hostility from the Trans movement or that we should accept the captured and Trans funded researchers findings without question.

I refuse to criticise KJK. More power to her!

I had no choice. I was bad enough in the world of work before it became the world of woke.

When you spend your late teens and most of your 20s being the only woman on a construction site you kind of lose the inclination to be nice and say good words. That ship sailed decades ago.

She's the reason I'm missing 7 socks.

I pulled a shoulder muscle pulling on my right ballet pump in October 2022. I worry that KJK's donation button has done that.

I worry that you lot are too dim to realise the danger into which your ignorance has placed my ballet shoe-put-onning. Do your own research, but I'd be very wary.

"She's so mauve. We don't know what she's planning."

Yeah I was here and as I recall I don't think she got banned for "stating the bleeding obvious". She got banned for repeatedly breaking talk guidelines and refusing to stick to them.

I think you can still find her posts by advanced searching her.

Really. Have you read my posts?

They are charities. Therefore they publish their accounts and there are rules about what they spend donations on.

Other people request donations and are not charities. There are not the same transparency rules for them.

I personally mistrust people who are not charities seeking donations. Because it makes me wonder why they have not set up as charities and if they are exploiting the goodwill of others for personal gain.

Whereas I personally mistrust people who think people can miraculously change sex.

Kellie-Jay Keen made me stub my toe.

This thread is about numerous topics related to KJK, including her character, so there was nothing strange about my post. Do keep up.

Bunbury occasionally wonders why posters who do not always seem to be posting in good faith garner a 3 to 1 (or more) response rate to those posts.

As with all the research about community disruptors, there's a lot of secondary gain being delivered.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

Because KJK is not leading a charity.

She is a very capable women's rights activist and part of her campaign is "be the billboard". It involves not her fronting the movement, it involves all of us fronting the movement.

You pay her money, you get merch in return, you become the billboard, and the profits we can literally see it goes to billboards and let women speak events.

Charities must bow to the charity commission and considering the treathening force that are trans activists that is a bad situation to be in.

As a business she needs to not bow down to these clowns.

Considering also a lot of charities spend most of your donations on administrative costs and salaries instead of the thing you want to actually support I think KJK's way of doing things is 100 times better. Unless you have a charity like JK Rowling's Lumos who have a 100% donation guarantee. But KJK is not an almost billionaire.

I think in her case stating the bleeding obvious was exactly what got her banned, and others too. It was against talk guidelines back then. She was warned repeatedly and refused to back down.

We are all LangCleg

But of course you remember that.

Ah yes, back in the days when TRAs trawled the Feminism boards 24/7 reporting everything they could. Back when you had a post deleted if you so much as said “trans identified male” or “trans cult” or similar. The Talk guidelines were, frankly, skewed towards men in frocks and not the Mumsnet posters. Thank goodness things have changed.

Yes Adam, I even highlighted the part of your post i was responding to. If you can't remember what you post maybe it's time for a break. Btw its very common, when referring to anyone, to include businesses and groups as well as individuals in that reference. Here is the part in case you have forgotten:

FWIW I'm suspicious about anyone seeking donations online. It often seems to end up with the money not being used for what it was envisaged.

I personally mistrust people who are not charities seeking donations.
Good for you. I personally mistrust anyone who tries to distort other people's reality.

And it the tradition of good mumsnetting, the first poster has it. Thanks for the reminder

God, it's so bloody tedious.

I hope she's saving up for a solid gold toilet.