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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The chair of SEEN is being sued.

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PriOn1 · 19/03/2024 18:07

We can’t post Crowdfunder links here, but there is now a Crowdfunder entitled “Chair of SEEN sued for saying 'only women menstruate'by Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley”

Text from website:

Who are you?
I'm Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley. I work for an arms-length body to a government department (part of the Civil Service) and love my job. I'm also gender critical, and chair of a governmental department SEEN (Sex Equality and Equity Network). SEEN represents those who are gender critical in our workplace.
What can you tell us?
The way I describe the case is restrained by my situation. I am writing this in a personal capacity, but am still employed and must comply with my employer's code of conduct and the Nolan Principles of Public Life. This places certain restrictions on me.
I’ve given as much information as I can, but I hope that what I set out below is sufficient to understand what’s going on.
So what happened?
I work for an arms-length body to the main government department. The case has been brought by a claimant who is an employee of another arms-length body. The claimant is taking their own employer, the government department and me to court.
Among other matters, the claimant is suing the government department for allowing our departmental SEEN network to exist (on the basis that the existence of the network has the effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and/or offensive environment for the claimant).
What is the SEEN network?
SEEN (the Sex Equality and Equity Network) is an official cross-governmental staff network. We also have networks in three government departments (including the one being taken to court). SEEN is known as the gender critical network and is the only civil service network that clearly treats sex and sexual orientation as concepts defined in the Equality Act, which should never be conflated with or replaced by ‘gender identity’.

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AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 08:42

Snowypeaks · 20/03/2024 08:40

Isn't there meant to be a professional code for the civil service?

Yes, which EDW has meticulously followed. Others in the Civil Service, perhaps not so much.

PronounssheRa · 20/03/2024 08:43

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-code/the-civil-service-code

Core values

  • Integrity’ is putting the obligations of public service above your own personal interests
  • ‘honesty’ is being truthful and open
  • ‘objectivity’ is basing your advice and decisions on rigorous analysis of the evidence
  • ‘impartiality’ is acting solely according to the merits of the case and serving equally well governments of different political persuasions

The Civil Service code

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-code/the-civil-service-code

AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 08:45

EDW's Crowd Justice fundraiser is increasing at a cracking rate, considering it's not yet 9am in the UK - £26,212, from 1074 pledges.

ÉowynsSword · 20/03/2024 08:46

Just donated to her, it's just mad what is happening. How has stating scientific, biological reality become something to be sued over?

I'll keep an eye on this, it's great it's got over £10000 already

Snowypeaks · 20/03/2024 08:48

PronounssheRa · 20/03/2024 08:43

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-code/the-civil-service-code

Core values

  • Integrity’ is putting the obligations of public service above your own personal interests
  • ‘honesty’ is being truthful and open
  • ‘objectivity’ is basing your advice and decisions on rigorous analysis of the evidence
  • ‘impartiality’ is acting solely according to the merits of the case and serving equally well governments of different political persuasions

So according to the letter, this little group has breached the code comprehensively!
They should be investigated and face sanctions, but they won't be.

Tallisker · 20/03/2024 08:56

Those tweets from a:gender! They present to the CS on 'gender euphoria' - basically how good it makes them feel when they successfully deceive or bully someone into using preferred pronouns.

SoupDragonsFriend · 20/03/2024 08:57

AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 07:45

It’s the vast number of small pledges that impresses - 974 pledges to reach £24,000, of between £5 and £100.

Grass roots stuff.

I think it's a really positive thing that, even if you pledge the smallest amount, the fact that you have added to the people count matters a lot. Being a +1 to the statistics is powerful.

RayonSunrise · 20/03/2024 08:58

That's interesting. Would it strengthen Elspeth's case if it tuned out a:gender had been consulted by the Defra staff who are bringing this action?

IamRoyFuckingKent · 20/03/2024 09:00

I've added my pledge. Good for her, when will this fucking insanity stop?

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 09:00

Wow I've just woken up and it's over £26k

The chair of SEEN is being sued.
UltraLiteLife · 20/03/2024 09:01

RayonSunrise · 20/03/2024 08:58

That's interesting. Would it strengthen Elspeth's case if it tuned out a:gender had been consulted by the Defra staff who are bringing this action?

I should think proving that toa reasonable standard would be difficult. Rather like Stonewall and their influence on Garden Court Chambers in Allison Bailey's action.

However, uninformed opinion here. Just a tribunal watcher.

Propertylover · 20/03/2024 09:07

@RayonSunrise I think it’s more about trying to keep their well paid jobs.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 09:07

I only went to make a cup of tea! And it flew straight through £27,000

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2024 09:11

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 09:07

I only went to make a cup of tea! And it flew straight through £27,000

Quick Beetle - go and make another cup

duc748 · 20/03/2024 09:14

And the Guardian, for all their claimed support of whistleblowers

<cough> Sarah Tisdale <cough>

HandShoe · 20/03/2024 09:22

Thanks for the thread - I saw the Times article this morning and knew I'd find one. Have done some gardening.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 09:28

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2024 09:11

Quick Beetle - go and make another cup

OK... £28,000 and 1132 pledges

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Ramblingnamechanger · 20/03/2024 09:28

great to see so much support…just donated and now 27880 in the pot. We will have to go on doing this to support these women, but in the hope that sometime this dangerous nonsense will no longer be fashionable.

AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 09:30

For those not on X, this is the first post (tweet) linked:

'We’d like to make it clear that while we represent members who overwhelmingly have the protected characteristic (PC) of ‘gender reassignment’ (GR), we’re clear that ‘sex’ and ‘sexual orientation’ are also PCs defined in the EqA2010 & that these should NEVER be conflated with GR.'

You get the gist ...

AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 09:35

SoupDragonsFriend · 20/03/2024 08:57

I think it's a really positive thing that, even if you pledge the smallest amount, the fact that you have added to the people count matters a lot. Being a +1 to the statistics is powerful.

Absolutely. I think you can donate as little a £1 (and decline the £1 'tip') to Crowd Justice, and still be counted as a pledge, if that's what you can currently afford.

You can always donate again later on.

AutumnCrow · 20/03/2024 09:37

£28,250
pledged of £40,000 stretch target from 1142 pledges

This is remarkable. She's going to hit target today/tonight, I reckon.

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