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The chair of SEEN is being sued.

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PriOn1 · 19/03/2024 18:07

We can’t post Crowdfunder links here, but there is now a Crowdfunder entitled “Chair of SEEN sued for saying 'only women menstruate'by Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley”

Text from website:

Who are you?
I'm Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley. I work for an arms-length body to a government department (part of the Civil Service) and love my job. I'm also gender critical, and chair of a governmental department SEEN (Sex Equality and Equity Network). SEEN represents those who are gender critical in our workplace.
What can you tell us?
The way I describe the case is restrained by my situation. I am writing this in a personal capacity, but am still employed and must comply with my employer's code of conduct and the Nolan Principles of Public Life. This places certain restrictions on me.
I’ve given as much information as I can, but I hope that what I set out below is sufficient to understand what’s going on.
So what happened?
I work for an arms-length body to the main government department. The case has been brought by a claimant who is an employee of another arms-length body. The claimant is taking their own employer, the government department and me to court.
Among other matters, the claimant is suing the government department for allowing our departmental SEEN network to exist (on the basis that the existence of the network has the effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and/or offensive environment for the claimant).
What is the SEEN network?
SEEN (the Sex Equality and Equity Network) is an official cross-governmental staff network. We also have networks in three government departments (including the one being taken to court). SEEN is known as the gender critical network and is the only civil service network that clearly treats sex and sexual orientation as concepts defined in the Equality Act, which should never be conflated with or replaced by ‘gender identity’.

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PauliesWalnuts · 20/03/2024 11:43

I'm not currently in a union and work in an ALB under DLUHC. My choices are Unite, Unison or PCS. Does anyone know which (if any) are the most gender-critical friendly? I don't want to feed the trans-monster with my union subs if possible.

PronounssheRa · 20/03/2024 11:47

No civil service unions are neutral let alone GC friendly last I looked.

I'd save your money.

Tallisker · 20/03/2024 11:51

PCS issued a briefing saying TWAW, TMAM, NBAV and GC beliefs can't be expressed at work. Then they had to reissue another one saying the first one wasn't quite right, but they didn't disseminate the correction very widely at all. I wouldn't trust them to have anyone's back who is facing the sort of thing Elspeth is facing.

BettyFilous · 20/03/2024 11:57

I don’t currently pay union subs as the unions in my previous and current sectors are captured on this issue. I put what I would have spent towards relevant employment tribunals. It’s having an impact on workplace practice, even if turning the tanker is a slow process.

bigdecisionstomake · 20/03/2024 11:58

Pledged. Thank you Elspeth.

HagoftheNorth · 20/03/2024 12:00

Tallisker, what’s NBAV please? (Non Binary are ???!)

Xiaoxiong · 20/03/2024 12:05

If anyone's on a gardening run, Kevin Lister - the teacher who has been dismissed for using a pupil's name rather than their pronoun and for raising a safeguarding concern because parental consent hadn't been sought - appears to need some more gardening as well.

Villagetoraiseachild · 20/03/2024 12:05

Vampires?

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 12:09

£32,000

The chair of SEEN is being sued.
LoobiJee · 20/03/2024 12:13

HagoftheNorth · 20/03/2024 12:00

Tallisker, what’s NBAV please? (Non Binary are ???!)

It’s “valid”.

HagoftheNorth · 20/03/2024 12:32

Villagetoraiseachild · 20/03/2024 12:05

Vampires?

😆

Tallisker · 20/03/2024 12:33

Yes, Non Binary are Valid

borntobequiet · 20/03/2024 12:36

Xiaoxiong · 20/03/2024 12:05

If anyone's on a gardening run, Kevin Lister - the teacher who has been dismissed for using a pupil's name rather than their pronoun and for raising a safeguarding concern because parental consent hadn't been sought - appears to need some more gardening as well.

Thanks for this reminder. Will do tomorrow, when I can.

FrancescaContini · 20/03/2024 12:54

PauliesWalnuts · 20/03/2024 11:43

I'm not currently in a union and work in an ALB under DLUHC. My choices are Unite, Unison or PCS. Does anyone know which (if any) are the most gender-critical friendly? I don't want to feed the trans-monster with my union subs if possible.

I quit the union I was wasting several quid a month on because of this. They had a stall covered in rainbow flags at a university event which was the final straw. I spoke to them in person at the stall and said I wanted to cancel my membership because of their blind allegiance to the rainbow.

PurpleWhirple · 20/03/2024 13:01

eldorado02 · 20/03/2024 11:01

A PP asked about trade union representation for civil servants.

I am a member of SEEN and work for an ALB whose parent body is the Home Office. My union is PCS and they are very much captured by gender ideology, to the extent that they like to propose motions to conference that TWAW etc. and have been openly critical of SEEN in member meetings.

If Elspeth is in a similar position, I assume she is not getting an iota of support from her union reps.

I’ve taken a step back from critiquing gender nonsense on my ALB’s intranet blogposts etc. that have removed the heinous word “woman” from anything to do with menopause, menstruation, pregnancy etc., as I was rounded on and practically strong armed into talking to the LGBTQ+ network so I could have my views ‘corrected’ (I declined this offer).

Even the head of my employer has pronouns in his email signature and writes often about all the allyship work he does in his weekly blogposts.

So I feel very alone where I work, even though I had a glimmer of hope a while back when I gleaned that another member of staff had submitted a similar FOI to mine about the money the org had spent on Stonewall over the years.

Substitute home office for another department and I could have written this

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 13:14

£33,013 and 1346 donations

The chair of SEEN is being sued.
FrancescaContini · 20/03/2024 13:15

☺️

Rainynight09 · 20/03/2024 13:27

That is ridiculous. What has happened to the world?

Navyblueblazer · 20/03/2024 13:44

It's 6:42 a.m. my time, nice to see another 10k was raised while I was sleeping!
33,283 pounds currently, 1362 pledges.

Looks like 40k could easily be raised by the end of the day my time.

terffert · 20/03/2024 13:46

Iamnotalemming · 20/03/2024 12:56

For premium subscribers only, apparently, and not archived at archive.ph. Any chance of a summary of its take/some quotes from the article?

Navyblueblazer · 20/03/2024 13:48

I can't find Kevin Lister for gardening.

Cauliflowery · 20/03/2024 13:50

Boiledbeetle · 19/03/2024 18:26

How of these do we have to go through before people start to get the fact that this is not OK?

Thanks, this made finding the page really easy.

I'm fucking furious that women continue to be taxed in order to get the law to function without bias, but heartened to see how much support this already has.

Iamnotalemming · 20/03/2024 13:55

terffert · 20/03/2024 13:46

For premium subscribers only, apparently, and not archived at archive.ph. Any chance of a summary of its take/some quotes from the article?

Ah sorry. Most points are lifted from the crowd funder page but it also records that Duemmer Wrigley is represented by Levins Solicitors consultant Jon Heath, who is instructing barrister Anya Palmer from Old Sq Chambers. Notes Palmer's experience in the area including acting for Arts Council England employee Denise Fahmy last year.

An additional point I hadn't noted previously - reported in the Lawyer - is that the claimant is seeking financial compensation, disbanding the Seen network, disciplinary action against Duemmer Wrigley and an unequivocal written apology.

Edited for typos

Peskysquirrel · 20/03/2024 13:59

@Iamnotalemming An additional point I hadn't noted previously - reported in the Lawyer - is that the claimant is seeking financial compensation, disbanding the Seen network, disciplinary action against Duemmer Wrigley and an unequivocal written apology.

Wow! Seriously? That's taking the phrase "go big or go home" to quite an extreme!

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