Yes! Colleague is NOT CIS!

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Another female colleague (sgt) asked me what a cis woman is, as she'd been referred to as such. I explained that it's a made up construct etc etc etc

She exclaimed ' But I'm a woman. Not Cis or whatever.'

Getting there slowly but surely.

@Emotionalsupportviper They are effectively claiming that they are real women, just the same way as blonde women, black women, tall women, clever women etc are.

yes that classic tactic from TRAs: “trans women are women just like black women”. Neatly riffing off the incredibly racist and misogynistic trope that black women are like men. 🤮 It’s just vile. And that’s why transwomen (with no space) is clearer than “trans woman”. But “trans identified male” is unambiguous and more accurate…

I don't accept any self-professed gender expert telling me my gender... I'm not cisgender. Simple as that!

@MidsomerMurmurs

They shift those goalposts inch by inch . . .

”Cis” is a transphobic term anyway. It means two things about you are “the same”. If you’re “trans”, those things are different. This is just Latin prefixes, for the bigots at the back.

But which two things are the same or different, you may ask? Well this is where we run out of non-transphobic answers. It can’t be that your biological sex is different from your “gender” (leave aside how we define gender for now). Because the concept of a “biological sex” is transphobic. It is impossible to know what it is, or there are 100s, or it’s a spectrum, or trans women are “biologically women”. So that can’t be one of the things that is “trans” in transpeople and “cis” in cispeople.

It is also transphobic to know what my “gender” is without asking me. So you can’t possibly know if I’m cis or not without making an assumption - which is transphobic.

I haven’t heard any other definition of cis, so I am only able to assume it’s now a transphobic term as it assumes a difference between gender/gender identity and some other aspect of a person.

I don’t actually mind it if it just means “not trans”. But then what is “trans” and how do I know I’m not? I am, according to the internet, “under the trans umbrella” because I am not aware of having a gender identity. But according to that definition, almost all the women I know are trans.

(And please don’t draw analogies to “straight” meaning “not gay”. Straight can’t mean that, otherwise bisexuals would be straight. It has a more precise meaning, and so should “cis”, if anyone can tell me what it is.)

I was once on a work call about diversity and inclusion and this particularly insufferable male colleague from the USA started twaddling on about “many genders” and “cis women”

I couldn’t help myself but say “actually I find the term cis woman offensive as I am not a sub category in my own sex class”

He couldn’t reverse ferret out of that any faster if he tried. Plonker.

Good for you!

Doing your bit to obstruct inclusivity and promote narrow mindedness.. You must be so proud.😤

It's not 'inclusion' to make women a subset of our own sex class.

Simon Edge report on EDI:

Interviewees were often sceptical of the blanket application of identity groups. They recognised the prevalence of discrimination against certain groups, but seeing people only through this lens risks entrenching inequality and causing harm. Staff should be recognised and rewarded for the talent that they bring through their skills and their different backgrounds and identities. The protected characteristics have a significance in law through the Equality Act and in aspects of people’s lives. But while a group to which we belong may describe a facet of who we are, it does not define who we are.
The prevalent over-focus on identity is seen by many interviewees as divisive. When valuing subjective identity is promoted over a broader range of evidence, the consequent dividing lines keep some people out of the conversation. Other staff can dominate by asserting special insight and advantage through claims of identity. This is often characterised by a sentence that starts ‘As a…’ or through an emphasis on personal ‘lived experience’, rather than gathering evidence that leads to a deeper, more nuanced understanding.
Staff networks, built around broad identities, too often fail to represent the range of views in their constituencies. But they are often treated by the organisation as if they are the authentic voice of the whole of that group of staff. This is particularly evident in, say, the contested area of sex and gender, where LGBTQ+ groups with one perspective do not include the views of those who characterise themselves as LGB or same-sex attracted (what the case law categorises as ‘gender identity’ versus ‘gender critical’ beliefs).

diversitybydesign.co.uk/flying-flags-and-ticking-boxes/

Zombie threads are threads!

I don't need a prefix, woman will do just fine as it has done for centuries. If that's confusing in any way and an additional descriptor is required go with real woman. I don't get why someone else's reality has to change my own or change the use of basic language.

I had two colleagues who asked me about this after reading an article at work, involving someone from the neighborhood we serve.

They struggled to understand as the article also described this person as queer although she is in a heterosexual marriage. One in particular accepted the whole thing completely without question even when I said that at the moment if someone says they feel queer they are, whether or not they are actually heterosexual.

A bad case of, the so-called-progressive-people-said-this-so-it must-be-true-itis.

I don’t really know what cis etc is all about as I don’t really do X or anything. But a colleague is a woke warrior (probably not an okay thing to say, but she will literally take an opposing stance to absolutely anything) & comments on his stuff all day long…

I don’t really know what cis etc is all about

Nor does anyone else, don't worry

People born biologically female are 'women', once they reach adulthood. And 'girls' before then.

The existence of trans people does not require further descriptors for the female sex.

In a beautiful nutshell 🥰

You may be happy with 'cis' - being a sub-set of your own sex, many of us are not and none of us has the right to decide for other women. Transwomen are a sub-set of men, not women i.e. they are men.

The thing is - no-one bloody asked us whether we want to be referred to as such.