Yes! Colleague is NOT CIS!

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Another female colleague (sgt) asked me what a cis woman is, as she'd been referred to as such. I explained that it's a made up construct etc etc etc

She exclaimed ' But I'm a woman. Not Cis or whatever.'

Getting there slowly but surely.

Would you be happy for me to adopt your username when I post?

How have I misrepresented you to another poster?

Well, you may not care, but I do care whether men call themselves women. The words we use to define ourselves are important. That's at the root of this whole issue.

@Peskysquirrel perhaps you need to read it again. Your quote misrepresented what I was saying to another poster. You took out the whole beginning of the sentence. I was also saying to said poster that Woman is fine and no need for the CIS part.
Ok, you care. I don't, and I don't feel it's taken the word away from me. I'm allowed to express my personal opinion without being shouted down by other women because it's slightly different to yours.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. The comma threw me for a minute because it makes it read as if I was misrepresenting you.

I agree with the first part of your paragraph! There is no need for cis. But the second part is contradictory. That's what I was pointing out - the salient part.

As for "being shouted down by other women"... well, we must be reading different posts. It's a discussion board with different opinions. No one is shouting anyone down, it's just disagreement.

Nope.

I reject 'non transgender'. I am a woman. A real one. I don't want or need a prefix because I AM.

Why not just say "woman"? There are no subsets of woman.

"Non transgender"

Christ

The reference point around which the world revolves.

Indeed, they are only happy if everything is about them. Non trans, cis women both terms are nonsense and I'm pleased that more people are gradually realising this.

It's all The Emperors New Clothes.

I'm not sure they're relevant. If you put yourself outside the binary then such distinctions surely don't apply anyway.

Well, it clearly has for you.

Au contraire, they matter so much you'll never hear the end of it!

I thought "biological born woman" was horribly transphobic? Have the rules been changed again? So confusing 😪

There have always been "trans" men and women because of how strictly society enforced the approved roles of the sexes, and the fact that homosexually was considered a sin. I find it really depressing that after a few decades of moving towards a society where people could just be themselves, we have moved so strongly back to male and female behaviour being rigidly enforced behind the fake "tolerance" of transgender ideology.

Given that trans woman is a misnomer that describes a man who identifies as trans (whatever that is but I think it has something to do with stereotypes and other non identifiable feelings), I'd rather reclaim the word woman in it's entirety. I have nothing in common with trans identifying men whatsoever as I don't buy into stereotypes of womanhood.

Trans identifying male/ man works well and is a more accurate description.

They can fuck off with the use of the word woman, that's taken. As for cis, well no it's not necessary.

I’m a woman. Not ‘cis-woman’, not ‘non-transwoman’. Woman. It’s starting to get silly now.

But it doesn't mean that

A 'biological born woman' who thinks she is a man, a transman, wouldn't be cis

Absolutely she could be. If a woman thinks she's a man, surely then she can then have various gender identities as a man. There's nothing stopping you having nested gender identities, why not?

Go to other cultures in the World and trans men and women have been accepted throughout history.

Straw man argument; in any culture where sex/ gender roles are very well defined and rigid, there's always been individuals who are gender non conforming.

In some cultures they "made room for them" and gave them a specific cultural role. They were not trans in the modern sense of the word nor seen as the opposite sex.

In other cultures they were vilified (often as they were gay, or just not cow towing to the status quo, often women) and so some would "hide" in the opposite sex role completely, especially women who wanted to have professions that were reserved for men.

There is no rigid system of sex/gender in the uk and so no need for the term cis.

Under other cultures they've their own unique words for those breaking gender stereotyping.

It does not 🙄
I am a woman, I will not be defined as “non transgender”, as though transgender was the default.
The state of you!

They can exist inside their own heads if they want, however they dont get to define me or use pre fixes for me that I dont consent to

I dont need, for example, a pre fix to explain that I am not a stamp collector.

I dont need a pre fix to explain I am not trans.

I'm going to stick my neck out and assume you're being sardonic. If not, I'd genuinely be delighted to hear a coherent account of how "identities" which explicitly reject the binary trans/cis conjecture, such as the ones you mention, consider themselves either "cis" or "trans".

I am a woman. Women exist whether people (mostly men) like it or not.

I was being a bit sardonic. I think anyone who's gone that deep into genderistic navel-gazing to care about which kind of non-gender they are, has deep and meaningful thoughts about gender that they're keen to tell you about

It's like me that winter I did sea swimming every day. How do you know someone swims in cold water every day - oh they'll tell you soon enough!