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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Young voices - some not allowed

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arethereanyleftatall · 12/03/2024 09:57

My 15yo DD was invited by her school to go to a 'young voices' event. An event for children to share and discuss their views on a wide range of topics.
She was one of 8 from her school, many other schools attended with same numbers. Hundreds of pupils. She said there were many children their with pride pins etc on display.
She is gender critical and believes sex matters.
Basically her views were not allowed. She was shouted over by other pupils in the discussions and organisers did nothing.
They all had to write on a post it who their inspiration was, and pin in to a board. She put JKR. The board was being manned by the organisers. When she came back to the board her post it has been removed and placed on a 'hate' board alongside terrorist organisations etc.
She absolutely hated the day, said it wasn't 'young voices' at all, but 'young voices as long as you agree with us.'
She is petrified of being expelled/suspended/told off because of her views.

Any advice please on what to do?

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mumda · 13/03/2024 06:37

Your daughter is awesome. She should be proud of standing up for reality and common sense. I'm so sorry she was subjected to their vile garbage.

It's breathtaking really to think about how captured people are.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 13/03/2024 07:08

Another who thinks your daughter is awesome.

I am sorry she has had to experience this.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 13/03/2024 09:30

Hopefully there will be many who attended who will have seen this whole ‘be kind’ brigade in action. And see the types of people who instigate hatred and those who ‘go along’ with it to avoid scrutiny or being outcast from the bright side of history’.

there will be whispers and ripples. She will be remembered as the girl who was fearless and called bullshit on ‘then’ (because a few years down the line no one will have been one of the bullies)

SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 09:35

I just hope she's read this thread, to see how normal (ish!) people behave.

ScierraDoll · 13/03/2024 09:38

It's fascism pure and simple.
Your daughter was incredibly brave and should be proud

senua · 13/03/2024 09:49

How is she doing this morning, OP? Hope she is feeling stronger.

BackToLurk · 13/03/2024 10:04

@arethereanyleftatall if you are not already involved with the Women's Rights Network it may be worth getting in touch with the local branch. There are a few young women & girls your daughter's age involved & it may help her to have support from people her own age

arethereanyleftatall · 13/03/2024 10:08

Thank you everyone. She's still not talking beyond what I said in my op. Not eating much. Sleeping at 8pm. But still exhausted. Tearful and didn't want to go to school. I will update once she's back to her cheerful self. Hopefully soon.

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EdithStourton · 13/03/2024 10:12

BackToLurk · 13/03/2024 10:04

@arethereanyleftatall if you are not already involved with the Women's Rights Network it may be worth getting in touch with the local branch. There are a few young women & girls your daughter's age involved & it may help her to have support from people her own age

I would agree - especially regarding this morning's update.
I'm assuming OP has phoned the school and explained what has happened. And I bloody hope the school is on her DD's side!

catscatscurrantscurrants · 13/03/2024 10:23

I have nothing to add OP, but admiration for your daughter. I'm sure you are rightly proud of her courage and good sense. Good luck to her in all that she does.

RinklyRomaine · 13/03/2024 10:47

I'm late to this but to say my 14DD would've standing right with her, as would many of her friends. Sending hugs. I know many adult women too scared to do what she did.

senua · 13/03/2024 10:50

arethereanyleftatall · 13/03/2024 10:08

Thank you everyone. She's still not talking beyond what I said in my op. Not eating much. Sleeping at 8pm. But still exhausted. Tearful and didn't want to go to school. I will update once she's back to her cheerful self. Hopefully soon.

Do you need to take charge and be her advocate? She's only 15 years old, up against adults and The System.Sad

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/03/2024 10:52

Poor girl. An event like that absolutely shouldn't put anyone off wanting to go to school.

I would contact the school for support, and complain bitterly to the event organisers. How dare they make it so unsafe for your DD to express her views, that she's now afraid of her schoolmates or her school?

The irony of this is that if - I've understood correctly? - this was a govenment sponsored event intended to give young people a voice and support free exchange of ideas. I cannot imagine the government thinking what happened yto your DD is a desirable outcome or a good way to spend their money.

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2024 11:04

keep notes of everything that's happening, OP. I'm so sorry. This is so wrong. Your poor DD.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 11:07

Maybe check that there's nothing happening on her social media OP? If there is, then I think you'll need to contact the school - especially as they sent her to an event for young voices without warning her that only certain voices were permitted.
I know she's 15 but she may well need a parental intervention here.

WhichPage · 13/03/2024 11:53

Just shocking that we a have to decide how much we are willing to fight before we decide whether to speak our truth on this subject.

Some really concerning issues around critical thinking and herd think.

Not just females are GC imo but it matters more to female integrity and freedom to bring conversations to reason on this.

I am starting to wonder if (self serving?) leaders who opt out of critical thinking before offering and funding such events are really not interested in equality (choosing instead fashionable statements to add to their CV?)… to everyone’s long term cost.

Your poor DD- if I was her In would have done the same and been just as shocked and upset at the outcome.

ThreeEggOmlette · 13/03/2024 12:00

arethereanyleftatall · 13/03/2024 10:08

Thank you everyone. She's still not talking beyond what I said in my op. Not eating much. Sleeping at 8pm. But still exhausted. Tearful and didn't want to go to school. I will update once she's back to her cheerful self. Hopefully soon.

Bless her.

This is not inclusion.
This is not #kind or tolerant.
People who fly progressive pride flags should not be proud of making a young girl feel like this.

arethereanyleftatall · 13/03/2024 12:03

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 11:07

Maybe check that there's nothing happening on her social media OP? If there is, then I think you'll need to contact the school - especially as they sent her to an event for young voices without warning her that only certain voices were permitted.
I know she's 15 but she may well need a parental intervention here.

Edited

Thank you, that's a good idea. She's not on her phone too much tbh, puts it down for the night around 6pm.

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arethereanyleftatall · 13/03/2024 12:04

Absolutely this movement is not kind. It's fucking horrible in fact.
Sorry, I'm just so cross for her.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 12:07

Swear away OP - the rest of us are.

The good thing is you're no longer alone. There's a range of wise support available - on here and elsewhere.

duc748 · 13/03/2024 12:12

There is indeed. One of the biggest things that's struck me, in the relatively short time I've been posting on MN, is just what a resource and force for good it is in the world. And you can't say that about many (any?) other sectors of social media. The number of people helped and supported by posters here must be endless.

SadCelticBunny · 13/03/2024 12:19

I just want to add my voice to the chorus supporting your daughter. She is so brave.

UltraLiteLife · 13/03/2024 13:01

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 11:07

Maybe check that there's nothing happening on her social media OP? If there is, then I think you'll need to contact the school - especially as they sent her to an event for young voices without warning her that only certain voices were permitted.
I know she's 15 but she may well need a parental intervention here.

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Seconding this. I'm sure there was SM bullying in the incident I can't recall.

PatatiPatatras · 13/03/2024 13:21

What was it we used to say?
"If loving you is wrong, then I don't want to be right? "

Your daughter's got the😎factor.

She should wear her "hate" slander with pride. It will age like all the other "arrest them" photos.

She'll be an icon. A bastion of independent thought and objectivity.

I hope my daughter can be like her.

GeorgeO · 13/03/2024 14:19

just to add - when my daughter left school lots of girls wrote on her shirt with comments saying how much they genuinely admired her. She was surprised as she got little support for speaking up whilst she was there and nobody seemed to side with her. It’s not an easy life at school. She was admired but had no idea.