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Hard-core porno paid for by taxpayers via SNP quango

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/03/2024 21:48

'dyke identifying' is an offensive new one for me. It stands to reason that such an (ahem) artist would be au fait with gender ideology.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/snp-quango-gave-public-money-to-porn-masquerading-as-art/ sorry archive.ph seems to be having a moment.

It's not an insignificant sum of money. The ferrets are reversing. But how can they justify bunging someone so much money without knowing precisely what it would be spent on. And, if I understand correctly, they'd already paid for and seen a taster.

When this masterbate, sorry, masterpiece is...erm...finished. The audience will be told to remove their shoes. I'd hate to think what they're stepping in.

SNP quango gave public money to ‘porn masquerading as art’

Artist Leonie Rae Gasson received £110,000 to create short hardcore sex film described as ‘harmful and abusive’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/snp-quango-gave-public-money-to-porn-masquerading-as-art

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ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 16:34

I got as far as 'our subsequent withdrawal'. Fucking hell, no wonder we don't need satire anymore. 😂

bibop · 30/05/2024 16:52

I have the sense that we're living in the last days of Rome

lcakethereforeIam · 30/05/2024 17:25

So the application originally had 'non-simulated' sex, which was then removed. The application that was granted the money had genital contact, an intimacy co-ordinator, sti tests, lubricant, wanted actors that had done porn and did not have the word 'simulated', but none of this raised any red flags.

Creative Scotland is also not the arbiter of what gets funding, despite being the arbiters of what gets funding.

Finally, stuff that would give the 'wider community' the vapours is just a big meh to the 'queer community', apparently a rainbow monolith with no boundaries what so ever.

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 17:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx9972np27yo

'When questioned by the Labour MSP Neil Bibby about the application describing several sexual acts that would be in the show, Mr Munro replied: "This is a language that is recognised by the queer community and does not provoke them in the way that it does the wider public."
Mr Munro accepted that the incident was "reputationally damaging" and could undermine future investment in Scotland's creative sector.
He added: "This has caught the attention around the world in a way that is not helpful to Scotland...
"[There is]... disbelief that this one such significant award could risk undermining our strong cultural reputation abroad."

A promotional image for the arts project Rein, which had Creative Scotland funding pulled after it emerged real sex scenes would be part of it

Arts body to be "more cautious" with funding after axed sex show

Support for the Rein project was axed in March after full details of its real sex content were revealed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx9972np27yo

bibop · 30/05/2024 17:36

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 17:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx9972np27yo

'When questioned by the Labour MSP Neil Bibby about the application describing several sexual acts that would be in the show, Mr Munro replied: "This is a language that is recognised by the queer community and does not provoke them in the way that it does the wider public."
Mr Munro accepted that the incident was "reputationally damaging" and could undermine future investment in Scotland's creative sector.
He added: "This has caught the attention around the world in a way that is not helpful to Scotland...
"[There is]... disbelief that this one such significant award could risk undermining our strong cultural reputation abroad."

Munro is essentially saying, the queer community are a bunch of hardened perverts

lcakethereforeIam · 30/05/2024 17:53

That's the way I understood it too.

I wonder why CS didn't offer to continue the funding if she just took out the actual fucking and replaced it with pretend fucking? As per their apparent understanding of the application.

I wonder if she'll sue, or if there's some sort of quid pro quo for not sueing? Perhaps that's why they were giving her a little ego boost at the end.

If she does sue I'd be tempted to throw a few pounds in the Crowdfunder.

The questions were very soft ball. The SNP quy obviously just wanted to make it very clear that CS's decisions had fuckall to do with them.

I hope someone asks CS to fund a film or a play based on this, 'Oops! I accidentally funded a porno!?'

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2024 18:16

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 16:34

I got as far as 'our subsequent withdrawal'. Fucking hell, no wonder we don't need satire anymore. 😂

Not just televised but preserved for posterity. That opening statement was priceless. As po-faced as it was hilarious. "Withdrawal" followed by preaching equality and diversity at us, while looking as if he was struggling not to corpse.

15 minutes and my bingo card was full. And it doesn't get any less entertaining as it goes on.

I was delighted to learn that the language used does not provoke the Queer Community. Just a pity the neurodiverse member of the Queer Community who devised the show thought the proposal language meant whatever she wanted it to mean and that nobody else thought to wonder.

Apparently STI tests by performers go beyond Industry Standards they're Best Practice (with an uncomfortable shift in seat) Some of us have heard of Best Practice before, haven't we? Where do they all get this language.

We're onto lubricant. And "the mere mention of genital contact alone does not mean real sex".

Oh, and Creative Scotland have four key areas of priority - EDI, fair work, sutainable development, and international. Listed in that order.

We're onto toxic environment. Culture wars. Artists "operated with integrity in their own way".

Repeated several times that they are not censors and how important artistic freedom is. We shall keep that in mind, eh.

INeedAPensieve · 30/05/2024 18:49

bibop · 30/05/2024 17:36

Munro is essentially saying, the queer community are a bunch of hardened perverts

Indeed...quiet part out loud there!

I mean, if the "wider community" (ie the majority of the population) are horrified and disgusted by something, that should surely be cause for a pause and reflection on one's behaviours?

I can now see why the paedophiles are trying to tag onto the "queer" community since they appear to have no boundaries or sexual morals whatsoever. Dearie me...

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 30/05/2024 19:42

I'm reluctantly impressed that Mr Wilson, chair of Creative Scotland, has had the sangfroid to parlay this situation into a plea for more funding. I'm not sure I follow his reasoning, or quite why he was smiling so much.

I would not have reminded the committee that Creative Scotland only funds 30% of projects, personally. Surely that only invites the committee to dwell on the possibility that if Creative Scotland had less funding, perhaps CS might be more scrupulous about how it was spent?

SquirrelSoShiny · 30/05/2024 20:02

Scotland is currently beyond parody.

INeedAPensieve · 30/05/2024 20:10

SquirrelSoShiny · 30/05/2024 20:02

Scotland is currently beyond parody.

It's not funny for us living here. Also large parts of the population have no real clue what is happening either.

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 21:38

The Creative Scotland high heed yins getting grilled is a performance art piece in itself, and probably more compelling than anything Ms Gasson is likely to come up with.

So the application discusses STI testing, lubricants, genital contact, and seeking actors with experience of working in porn, but they claim this doesn't suggest it was going to be a porno film.

Chinny reckon, eh?

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2024 22:05

The original applications are downloadable from that FOI request.

'In this R&D we will not be filming or performing any explicit sex acts. We anticipate the final performance to do so and so much of MMWs time on this R&D will be researching legal and ethical frameworks to do so, continuing on from her previous research into UK pornography and filming laws '

TempestTost · 30/05/2024 22:59

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2024 18:16

Not just televised but preserved for posterity. That opening statement was priceless. As po-faced as it was hilarious. "Withdrawal" followed by preaching equality and diversity at us, while looking as if he was struggling not to corpse.

15 minutes and my bingo card was full. And it doesn't get any less entertaining as it goes on.

I was delighted to learn that the language used does not provoke the Queer Community. Just a pity the neurodiverse member of the Queer Community who devised the show thought the proposal language meant whatever she wanted it to mean and that nobody else thought to wonder.

Apparently STI tests by performers go beyond Industry Standards they're Best Practice (with an uncomfortable shift in seat) Some of us have heard of Best Practice before, haven't we? Where do they all get this language.

We're onto lubricant. And "the mere mention of genital contact alone does not mean real sex".

Oh, and Creative Scotland have four key areas of priority - EDI, fair work, sutainable development, and international. Listed in that order.

We're onto toxic environment. Culture wars. Artists "operated with integrity in their own way".

Repeated several times that they are not censors and how important artistic freedom is. We shall keep that in mind, eh.

I notice "great art" isn't a priority. Nor is a message that they don't expect or like. Only art that toes the line, it seems.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/05/2024 08:55

INeedAPensieve · 30/05/2024 20:10

It's not funny for us living here. Also large parts of the population have no real clue what is happening either.

I also live in Scotland so I have to take my laughs where I can find them. It would be a lot less funny if they had blue hair and rainbow lanyards. But what's not to laugh when Grey Men talk explicit sex in officialese and spin "the international art world thinks we made tits of ourselves" into something positive?

Rowan Atkinson for the film!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/05/2024 08:58

TempestTost · 30/05/2024 22:59

I notice "great art" isn't a priority. Nor is a message that they don't expect or like. Only art that toes the line, it seems.

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Nor local talent. Which for Creative Scotland seems like a gap.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 01/06/2024 06:50

I've changed my mind. Not Rowan Atkinson, John Bird and John Fortune: "George Parr you're CEO of Creative Scotland and you must be very preoccupied with simulated sex scenes" "Thrilled, we're thrilled".

Sigh. Feeling my age!

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