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Happy Women's History Month!

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

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Hoardasurass · 01/03/2024 11:19

Only if there's a special transwomen flag

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2024 12:38

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

Would you like an extra cushion to sit on whilst you wait? Wouldn't want you to get uncomfortable during your 31 day wait.

DialSquare · 01/03/2024 12:40

Is this time for the chair to make an appearance Arabella?

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 12:42

No! I am sick of sitting on that fucking camp chair. All these buggering vigils and no bugger yet has come up with a meaningful definition of 'gender identity' or anything that JKR said that was transphobic.

I'm going to gather examples of women's history instead.

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 12:51

Early cave artists were mostly women.

'New analysis of ancient handprints in France and Spain suggests that most of those early artists were women.
This is a surprise, since most archaeologists have assumed it was men who had been making the cave art. One interpretation is that early humans painted animals to influence the presence and fate of real animals that they'd find on their hunt, and it's widely accepted that it was the men who found and killed dinner.
But a new study indicates that the majority of handprints found near cave art were made by women, based on their overall size and relative lengths of their fingers.'

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/prehistoric-cave-prints-show-most-early-artists-were-women-8c11391268

Prehistoric cave prints show most early artists were women

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/prehistoric-cave-prints-show-most-early-artists-were-women-8c11391268

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/03/2024 16:40

Women making history
https://twitter.com/TheAttagirls/status/1763467086137844162/photo/1

Happy Women's History Month!
DialSquare · 01/03/2024 16:53

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 12:42

No! I am sick of sitting on that fucking camp chair. All these buggering vigils and no bugger yet has come up with a meaningful definition of 'gender identity' or anything that JKR said that was transphobic.

I'm going to gather examples of women's history instead.

Don't blame you!

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2024 17:00

Right, if we are doing this ourselves, I'm going for a modern historical moment for women, which will go down in history, that follows on from a long line of women throughout history who have lifted their skirts in anger and frustration.

On 22nd December 2022, immediately after the passing of the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill in Holyrood, Elaine Miller, a pelvic physiotherapist, and occasional wearer of a very fetching vulva costume, stood up in the public gallery and shouted:

“If this parliament will not respect the rights of women, then you have no decency. And if you will not be decent towards women who are being raped in jails right now that you’re in charge of, if you will not be decent, then I will be indecent. Get it right up yers. You TERRIBLE TERRIBLE people.”

And as she started to shout “then I will be indecent…” she raised her skirt and, thanks to an MSP with a phone on record, the world got a fantastic view of a fun fur merkin stuck to the front of her tights.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2024 17:42

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/03/2024 16:40

I like this one from them:

https://twitter.com/TheAttagirls/status/1763104715846365555?s=19

Woman of the Day is Dorothy the welder. I can’t tell you her full name, where or when she was born or indeed anything else about her but she and her sister co-workers were vital to Britain’s war effort during WW2.

It all started because I wanted to know the name of the first RAC patrolwoman. She was Edith Hayley of Bradford in the 1960s but other than the fact that her job brought her into contact with “lots of angry men”, I couldn’t find out any more about her.

I tried the Automobile Association but as recently as 2017, it only had four patrolwomen so from there, I went looking for the first woman to qualify as a mechanic in the UK. Whoever she was, she remains invisible but the search led me to the Women’s Engineering Society website and that sent me down another journey of discovery that had nothing to do with cars and everything to do with Waterloo Bridge.

That’s right. Waterloo Bridge. Did you know that it was built mainly by women?

Although the contribution of women to the war effort in WW2 is documented, very little is known about their outstanding contribution to construction. In 1944, 25,000 women were working in the construction industry filling in labour gaps left by British men being sent to war. They were paid far less money than their male counterparts for doing the same work, of course.

Waterloo Bridge was considered of vital importance to the British Army’s transport of men and materials but in 1939, it was judged to be dilapidated and unsafe. The architect Giles Gilbert Scott (Liverpool Cathedral, Battersea Power Station, the iconic red telephone box) designed a new bridge but the old one had to be dismantled and the new design built in record time. Few men were available for this important work and so the construction company Peter Lind & Co. compromised by asking for ‘green labour’ – those new to the industry. What it meant was women. It just couldn’t bring itself to say the word ‘women'.

It is thought that 65% of the construction workers responsible for building Waterloo Bridge were women. Even today, some Thames riverboat pilots call it ‘the Ladies' Bridge’ but for years, it was dismissed as an urban myth because no documentary or photographic evidence could be found. Peter Lind & Co. went out of business in the 1980s and most of its records were lost.

However, historian Professor Christine Wall found photographic evidence in the archives of The National Science and Media Museum of women demolition workers taking the old bridge down and women welders working on the new construction. A man whose father worked on the bridge came forward to say that there were 'two grades of ladies'. Most of the women wore dungarees while those in more senior roles, responsible for operating vehicles, wore all-in-one overalls similar to the ones worn by the men.

At the official opening in December 1945, Deputy Prime Minister Herbert Morrison proclaimed: "The men who built Waterloo Bridge are fortunate men. They know that although their names may be forgotten, their work will be a pride and use to London for many generations to come."

He must have forgotten his specs. What he clearly meant to say was:
"The women and men who built Waterloo Bridge are fortunate. They know that although the men’s names may be forgotten and the women’s will never be known, their work will be a pride and use to London for many generations to come."
I’m happy to set the record straight.

Happy Women's History Month!
Moremorela · 02/03/2024 08:23

Wonderful, thank you for this thread, So interesting.

Biscofffan · 02/03/2024 09:47

Waiting patiently for the Welsh Government tweet to mark Women's History Month, as they marked the beginning, middle and end of LGBTQ+ awareness month.

Love all the fascinating stories here - thank you!

theremustbecake · 02/03/2024 10:12

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 12:51

Early cave artists were mostly women.

'New analysis of ancient handprints in France and Spain suggests that most of those early artists were women.
This is a surprise, since most archaeologists have assumed it was men who had been making the cave art. One interpretation is that early humans painted animals to influence the presence and fate of real animals that they'd find on their hunt, and it's widely accepted that it was the men who found and killed dinner.
But a new study indicates that the majority of handprints found near cave art were made by women, based on their overall size and relative lengths of their fingers.'

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/prehistoric-cave-prints-show-most-early-artists-were-women-8c11391268

Wow, I always thought some women must have done some of them (even if always reported as men doing them), but no idea it was mostly women.

SinnerBoy · 02/03/2024 10:20

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 12:51

Early cave artists were mostly women.

That's fascinating, whenever I've seen depictions of cave artists at work, they've always been men.

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 17:42

I knew that women were involved in all sorts of "men's" work, in farming, building and engineering etc, but had never heard about the bridge.

Here's one I do know about:

https://heatonhistorygroup.org/2018/04/07/the-stoneys-of-heaton-unsung-heroes-of-the-parsons-story/

After graduation, Edith came to Newcastle to work for Charles Parsons. There is, in Newcastle University Library, a letter sent by Charles Parson to Edith’s father, George Johnstone Stoney, in 1903. Parsons pays tribute to:

‘your daughter’s great and original ability for applied mathematics… The problems she has attacked and solved have been in relation to the special curvature of our mirrors for obtaining beams of light of particular shapes. These investigations involved difficult and intricate original calculations, so much so that I must confess they were quite beyond my powers now and probably would have been also when I was at Cambridge… Your daughter also made calculations in regard to the gyrostatic forces brought onto the bearings of marine steam turbines…’

The Stoneys of Heaton: unsung heroes of the Parsons’ story - Heaton History Group

Most people in Newcastle have heard of Sir Charles Parsons, the eminent engineer whose invention of a multi-stage steam turbine revolutionised marine propulsion and electrical power generation, making him world famous in his lifetime and greatly respec...

https://heatonhistorygroup.org/2018/04/07/the-stoneys-of-heaton-unsung-heroes-of-the-parsons-story

ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 11:55

https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/430411-neolithic-mothers-and-the-survival-of-the-human-species

Feeding infants was an important topic even way back in Neolithic times.

'“Neolithic mothers served their babies gruel, probably a mix of milk and cereals, using carefully crafted bone spoons,” remarks Stefanovic. “Based on the bite marks found on these spoons, we can conclude that this food allowed mothers to wean their infant from breastmilk at an earlier age, which may have influenced fertility.” Stefanovic goes on to note that this new baby food likely resulted in a substantial restructuring of families – even society. “Less dependency on breastfeeding meant other members of society could help with childcare, essentially giving females more time to have more babies,” she says. “Thus, baby food was an important pillar for the increase in fertility seen in Neolithic Europe.”'

Neolithic mothers and the survival of the human species

New research uncovers the essential role that prehistoric mothers played in driving population growth during the Neolithic...

https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/430411-neolithic-mothers-and-the-survival-of-the-human-species

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ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 11:56

Also in that article:

'“By analysing bioarchaeological remains and using computer simulations, we were able to reach several important conclusions about Europe’s Neolithic fertility increase,” explains Stefanovic. “This includes our finding that the average Neolithic woman bore between 8 and 10 children.” But what really makes this project unique was its focus on the role of the prehistoric mother. For example, researchers discovered an increase in the number of stress lines in the tooth cementum of Neolithic females. “Not only is this one of the earliest known indicators of an increase in fertility, it also implies that Neolithic females experienced more physiological stress than their Mesolithic female ancestors,” notes Stefanovic.'

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ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 11:57

Continuuing with the Neolithic theme:

'The Neolithic women analysed in the study (living around 7,000 years ago) had similar leg bone strength to living women but their arm bones were 11-16% stronger for their size than the rowers. The arms of Bronze Age women were stronger still.
The scientists think that prehistoric women may have used stones to grind grains such as spelt and wheat into flour, which would have loaded women's arm bones in a similar way to the back-and-forth motion of rowing.
In the days before the invention of the plough, farming would have involved planting, tilling and harvesting all crops by hand, and women likely carried out many of these tasks.
"Women were also likely to have been fetching food and water for domestic livestock, processing milk and meat, and converting hides and wool into textiles,'' said Dr Macintosh.
The study, published in the journal Science Advances, suggests women's labour was key to the rise of agriculture.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42173236

Humerus

Hidden history of prehistoric women's work revealed

Prehistoric women's manual work was tougher than rowing in today's elite boat crews, say scientists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42173236

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ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 11:58

And some gorgeous Neolithic figurines - lots of links embedded in this article.

'In Neolithic art, figurines generally depict women, while representations of men are extremely rare. With the advent of agriculture, society may have become preoccupied not only with the fertility of humans and animals, but also with that of the soil and its fruits. The Neolithic female figurine may therefore be the prototype of the Mother Goddess, representing fertility in all its aspects – human, animal and vegetal. They may have been used as amulets for fertility, protection against evil and relief in childbearing, and in the cult of the dead. The female figurines are therefore often labelled ‘fertility figurines’ or ‘Mother Goddess’ figurines.'

https://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/samples/ritual-and-religion-in-prehistory-online/index.html

Neolithic ‘fertility figurines’

https://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/samples/ritual-and-religion-in-prehistory-online/index.html

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Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2024 12:19

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2024 17:42

I like this one from them:

https://twitter.com/TheAttagirls/status/1763104715846365555?s=19

Woman of the Day is Dorothy the welder. I can’t tell you her full name, where or when she was born or indeed anything else about her but she and her sister co-workers were vital to Britain’s war effort during WW2.

It all started because I wanted to know the name of the first RAC patrolwoman. She was Edith Hayley of Bradford in the 1960s but other than the fact that her job brought her into contact with “lots of angry men”, I couldn’t find out any more about her.

I tried the Automobile Association but as recently as 2017, it only had four patrolwomen so from there, I went looking for the first woman to qualify as a mechanic in the UK. Whoever she was, she remains invisible but the search led me to the Women’s Engineering Society website and that sent me down another journey of discovery that had nothing to do with cars and everything to do with Waterloo Bridge.

That’s right. Waterloo Bridge. Did you know that it was built mainly by women?

Although the contribution of women to the war effort in WW2 is documented, very little is known about their outstanding contribution to construction. In 1944, 25,000 women were working in the construction industry filling in labour gaps left by British men being sent to war. They were paid far less money than their male counterparts for doing the same work, of course.

Waterloo Bridge was considered of vital importance to the British Army’s transport of men and materials but in 1939, it was judged to be dilapidated and unsafe. The architect Giles Gilbert Scott (Liverpool Cathedral, Battersea Power Station, the iconic red telephone box) designed a new bridge but the old one had to be dismantled and the new design built in record time. Few men were available for this important work and so the construction company Peter Lind & Co. compromised by asking for ‘green labour’ – those new to the industry. What it meant was women. It just couldn’t bring itself to say the word ‘women'.

It is thought that 65% of the construction workers responsible for building Waterloo Bridge were women. Even today, some Thames riverboat pilots call it ‘the Ladies' Bridge’ but for years, it was dismissed as an urban myth because no documentary or photographic evidence could be found. Peter Lind & Co. went out of business in the 1980s and most of its records were lost.

However, historian Professor Christine Wall found photographic evidence in the archives of The National Science and Media Museum of women demolition workers taking the old bridge down and women welders working on the new construction. A man whose father worked on the bridge came forward to say that there were 'two grades of ladies'. Most of the women wore dungarees while those in more senior roles, responsible for operating vehicles, wore all-in-one overalls similar to the ones worn by the men.

At the official opening in December 1945, Deputy Prime Minister Herbert Morrison proclaimed: "The men who built Waterloo Bridge are fortunate men. They know that although their names may be forgotten, their work will be a pride and use to London for many generations to come."

He must have forgotten his specs. What he clearly meant to say was:
"The women and men who built Waterloo Bridge are fortunate. They know that although the men’s names may be forgotten and the women’s will never be known, their work will be a pride and use to London for many generations to come."
I’m happy to set the record straight.

Fantastic post!

Thank you so much!

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2024 12:22

Biscofffan · 02/03/2024 09:47

Waiting patiently for the Welsh Government tweet to mark Women's History Month, as they marked the beginning, middle and end of LGBTQ+ awareness month.

Love all the fascinating stories here - thank you!

Suggest you don't hold your breath . . . 😄

@ArabellaScott - this is a brilliant idea for a thread.

RandySavage · 02/03/2024 14:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57008360

my favourite bit of women’s history that I recently learned of. No doubt her shortish hair will lead to somebody trying to trans her in the near future.

Sophie Scholl

Sophie Scholl: Student who resisted Hitler and inspires Germany

Germany marks the 100th anniversary of the birth of Sophie Scholl, who was killed defying the Nazis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57008360

SabrinaThwaite · 02/03/2024 15:19

If anyone has been to see Wicked Little Letters then here’s some info about the real woman police officer Gladys Moss (first WPC in Sussex):

https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/sport/nostalgia/trail-blazing-gladys-became-first-wpc-in-sussex-2220501

Riding a motorbike and trained in Ju-jitsu - what a gal.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 02/03/2024 15:23

So shopping to day we were in one shop that had little ‘women owned company’ notices on some shelves and a big window display showing photos and company logos of ‘women owned/run companies’

i paused to play ‘spot the ball’ as you do with any ‘women only’ list these days, and the man next to me (who’d also stopped to look) nodded at one photo and said ‘that’s a bloke’.

I think people are getting tired of ‘days, weeks, months, seasons of…’ and the fact that some people always pop up in ‘women only’ categories who shouldn’t be there.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/03/2024 15:50

Another great moment in Women's History happened on 7th July 1968 when Rose Boland, Eileen Pullen, Vera Sime, Gwen Davis, Violet Dawson, and Sheila Douglass led the women sewing machinists at Ford out on strike over being classified as having a lower skill level than male machinists.

This strike led directly to the Equal Pay Act of 1970.

ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 17:20

Ooh, if we're doing industrial action ...

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/118618/29-11-2023/lessons-of-red-clydeside-1911-1919-workers-potential-power-on-display/

'Red Clydeside emerged with the 1911 strike at the Singer factory in Clydebank – the world’s largest sewing machine factory at the time. The unfair dismissal of three women workers resulted in a strike by 12 women workers on the morning of 21 March 1911.
The strike quickly gained solidarity, with over 10,000 workers striking by noon, even without trade union involvement. However, due to a lack of leadership and collective organisation, the strike failed to achieve a victory, and 400 leading activists were dismissed. Despite the defeat, the strike showcased the spirit of class solidarity and foreshadowed future struggles.
From 1910 to 1914, Clydeside experienced a surge of industrial action. Working days lost to strike activity in this period were four times the level recorded for 1900-10. Previously acquiescent groups of workers became increasingly radicalised, with women and unskilled workers playing significant roles.'

There's also Glasgow Women's Housing Association:

'In 1915, thousands of women, including legendary figures Mary Barbour, Helen Crawfurd, Mary Laird, Mary Jeff, and Jessie Stephen, took to the streets of Glasgow to protest against soaring rents.'

'On November 17, 1915, thousands of Glaswegian women united with Mary Barbour against the city's profiteering landlords. They would come to be known as "Mrs Barbour's Army".
The strike committee instructed every mother in the district with a young child to be there for 11am with their pram. Reid writes: "Long before noon the close and street were packed with prams, and every pram had at least one youngster in it. No raiding party could have got near the house.
"Moreover the men of Parkhead Forge and other works in the district decided to down tools at 11.30am and lend a hand if necessary.
"By the time the Sheriff’s officers and his clerk arrived there was a crowd of something like 5,000 ready to give them a rousing welcome. It is scarcely surprising that they decided to forget all about the eviction and take their leave."'

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/thousands-glasgow-women-fought-rent-21647081

The hardy Glasgow women who fought soaring rents during the First World War

In 1915, thousands of women, including legendary figures Mary Barbour, Helen Crawfurd, Mary Laird, Mary Jeff, and Jessie Stephen, took to the streets of Glasgow to protest against soaring rents.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/thousands-glasgow-women-fought-rent-21647081

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Boiledbeetle · 02/03/2024 17:28

JanesLittleGirl · 02/03/2024 15:50

Another great moment in Women's History happened on 7th July 1968 when Rose Boland, Eileen Pullen, Vera Sime, Gwen Davis, Violet Dawson, and Sheila Douglass led the women sewing machinists at Ford out on strike over being classified as having a lower skill level than male machinists.

This strike led directly to the Equal Pay Act of 1970.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1371155/

It's been a good while since I saw it but the film about that is good.

Made in Dagenham (2010) ⭐ 7.1 | Comedy, Drama, History

1h 53m | 15

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1371155