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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Happy Women's History Month!

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

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ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 17:38

And here's a wonderful photo from the 1915 Glasgow rent strikes.

Happy Women's History Month!
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Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2024 17:42

I've said it before but I'll reiterate - this is a most wonderful thread!

ErrolTheDragon · 02/03/2024 18:00

Excellent thread.

My contribution is to celebrate this being the 60th anniversary of Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin winning the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1964/hodgkin/biographical/

...and that (hopefully) reporting it like this has now been consigned to history...

Happy Women's History Month!
Boiledbeetle · 02/03/2024 18:08

Interesting 12 minutes video on women in world war one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XULMUWmg1Uo&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwm.org.uk%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwm.org.uk&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

Did WW1 really promote women's rights?

During the First World War, women stepped into men’s jobs for the first time ever, thousands of women served abroad on the front lines, women’s football even became a hugely popular sport, and the war is thought to have strengthened the Suffragettes' case for the right to vote. But how far did the war really impact women's lives and women's rights, or was it all 'for the duration'?

Delving into the IWM film and sound archives, we uncover some incredible true stories of the women who served and worked during the First World War.

Find out more about women in the First World War: www.iwm.org.uk/history/5-insp...

Did WW1 really promote women's rights?

During the First World War, women stepped into men’s jobs for the first time ever, thousands of women served abroad on the front lines, women’s football even...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwm.org.uk%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwm.org.uk&feature=emb_logo&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&v=XULMUWmg1Uo

PurpleSparkledPixie · 02/03/2024 18:14

Awesome thread, thank you ❤

Boiledbeetle · 02/03/2024 18:49

Tea break:

a little something to read

A while ago whilst looking for something woman and bicycle related for a chapter title I found a wonderful article from April 1986 written by a woman who had just got a bicycle.

Link is below if the images aren't readable.

https://archive.org/details/sim_godeys-magazine_1896-04_132_790/page/385/mode/1up

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Boiledbeetle · 02/03/2024 18:51

Missed the last page

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littlbrowndog · 02/03/2024 18:54

Great thread 🥰🧝‍♀️

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ArabellaScott · 04/03/2024 13:47

Iron Age women:

...were often buried with mirrors. At first this was assumed to be a sign of vanity, but more recently thinking has shifted to consider that mirrors may have been a sign of 'soothsaying'.

https://www.cultureoncall.com/burial-mirrors/

Burial mirrors: reflections of womanhood in Iron Age Britain

In this Culture on Call article, we reflect on the cultural significance of what may, at first, appear to many as an unassuming, household object. But what story does the everyday mirror share from the grave? #CultureOnCall

https://www.cultureoncall.com/burial-mirrors

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SidewaysOtter · 04/03/2024 13:51

This is a bloody marvellous thread!

I shall read it while I wait for London Bridge station to have the women's history equivalent of that Pride Pillar...

ArabellaScott · 04/03/2024 14:22

Also, when talking about mirrors in Iron Age burials, there is the suggestion they may also have been used for signalling.

This is in relation to recent finds of female warriors - a women on the Scilly Isles buried with sword and mirror, etc.

Of course Boudicaa is the most famous of all Iron Age warrior women.

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Boiledbeetle · 04/03/2024 14:41

ArabellaScott · 02/03/2024 11:55

https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/430411-neolithic-mothers-and-the-survival-of-the-human-species

Feeding infants was an important topic even way back in Neolithic times.

'“Neolithic mothers served their babies gruel, probably a mix of milk and cereals, using carefully crafted bone spoons,” remarks Stefanovic. “Based on the bite marks found on these spoons, we can conclude that this food allowed mothers to wean their infant from breastmilk at an earlier age, which may have influenced fertility.” Stefanovic goes on to note that this new baby food likely resulted in a substantial restructuring of families – even society. “Less dependency on breastfeeding meant other members of society could help with childcare, essentially giving females more time to have more babies,” she says. “Thus, baby food was an important pillar for the increase in fertility seen in Neolithic Europe.”'

8-10 babies each! My nether regions are clenching shut just at the thought!

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/03/2024 15:28

I wonder how many they managed to raise to adulthood, Boiled.

I imagine that the mortality rates were pretty high for both adults and children, and even a healthy baby would have little to no chance if born to a mother who died in childbirth/ shortly after birth, or who was unwell for a long period of time.

JanesLittleGirl · 04/03/2024 15:31

SidewaysOtter · 04/03/2024 13:51

This is a bloody marvellous thread!

I shall read it while I wait for London Bridge station to have the women's history equivalent of that Pride Pillar...

We're gonna need a lot more women's history then.

JanesLittleGirl · 04/03/2024 15:59

In a slightly different vein:

Noor Inayat Khan (1914-1944)

The secret agent Noor Inayat Khan was the first female radio operator to be sent into occupied France during the Second World War. She was posthumously awarded the George Cross and the Croix de Guerre with Gold Star. A blue plaque commemorates her at 4 Taviton Street in Bloomsbury, where she stayed in 1942–3.

EARLY LIFE AND TRAINING

Noor Inayat Khan was born to an American mother – the poet Amina Begum – and an Indian father – Inayat Khan – who was a musician and Sufi teacher. After spending her early years in London, Noor lived with her family in Paris for much of her life. She studied child psychology at the Sorbonne and was pursuing a career as a children’s writer when the Second World War broke out. Despite their pacifist Sufi upbringing, Noor and her family decided to move back to England to join the fight against fascism. They left France days before the fall of Paris in June 1940.

Noor enlisted in the Women’s Auxiliary Air Force (WAAF) as Nora Inayat Khan on 19 November 1940 and towards the end of 1941 she applied for a commission in Intelligence. In May 1942 she was posted ‘for duties as a wireless operator’ and sent to Compton Bassett in Wiltshire, where she was the first member of the WAAF to receive this extra training. She was called to interview in London on 10 November 1942 by the Special Operations Executive (SOE), the independent British Secret Service set up by Churchill to conduct subversive warfare. The following year she received paramilitary training at a number of secret locations across Britain.
4 TAVITON STREET

Noor Inayat Khan lived a peripatetic existence for much of her time in England in the 1940s. Her home was wherever her family was, and from mid-1942 until after she left for France in June 1943 this was 4 Taviton Street in Bloomsbury, where her mother lived. She wrote to her brother from the address in the spring of 1943, telling him:

I am a busy little girl now, and life is just full of activity and interest. I feel I am making up for all the time lost at Abingdon. I hope I will be here when you come back

Noor would later scratch the address onto the bottom of her feeding bowl while imprisoned in Pforzheim, Germany, in order to communicate with fellow prisoners: ‘Nora Baker, Radio Office Service RAF, 4 Taviton Street, London’.

She also frequently stayed with her friend, Jean Overton Fuller, down the road at 1 Taviton Street when number 4 was full. On one occasion in the autumn of 1942 Noor sat down on the staircase to write a note to say that ‘it is lovely to know I may come to your darling flat – I do enjoy it.’
SERVICE IN FRANCE AND CAPTURE

On the night of 16 June 1943 Noor was flown to France. Her task was to make contact in Paris with Henri Garry (codename Cinema or Phono) and to serve as his wireless operator in the Le Mans area. Her codename was ‘Madeleine’ – the name of a character from one of her own stories. Soon after her arrival, the Gestapo made multiple arrests and the undercover network she was part of collapsed.

Noor chose to stay in France in order to keep communications open with her French comrades. Having managed to get her radio set from Le Mans to her Paris safe house, she was now the only transmitting agent in Paris. By keeping on the move and changing her appearance, she was able to evade the Germans for three-and-a-half months while continuing to transmit messages, via radio and the SOE air force, to Baker Street. The Germans had a full description of ‘Madeleine’ and had pursued her since July.

She was preparing to return to England when, on 14 October, she was betrayed. She was captured by the Gestapo and taken to their Paris headquarters at Avenue Foch. Noor escaped at least twice but was recaptured and sent to Germany ‘for safe custody’. At Pforzheim Prison, ‘Nora Baker’ was considered highly dangerous and kept in isolation with only short periods out of chains. Despite beatings, she refused to cooperate.

On 11 September 1944 she was sent with three other female agents on the 250-mile journey to the Dachau concentration camp. Evidence given at the War Crimes trials and by surviving prisoners revealed that Noor was singled out for a night of torture and then, like her comrades, was shot in the head. She had revealed nothing to her captors, not even her real name, and her last word was said to have been ‘Liberté!’

She was awarded the Croix de Guerre with Gold Star on 16 January 1946 and, on 5 April 1949, the George Cross.

ArabellaScott · 04/03/2024 16:06

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/03/2024 15:28

I wonder how many they managed to raise to adulthood, Boiled.

I imagine that the mortality rates were pretty high for both adults and children, and even a healthy baby would have little to no chance if born to a mother who died in childbirth/ shortly after birth, or who was unwell for a long period of time.

Now reading about the Neolithic Demographic Transition - the shift from foraging to farming. Better food availability meant population growth, but this was tempered with assumed rise in disease.

So it's a bit unclear whether the mortality rate rose just because more were born. Very vague estimates of an infant mortality rate of 50%.

https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past

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SinnerBoy · 04/03/2024 16:23

JanesLittleGirl · Today 15:59

Noor Inayat Khan (1914-1944)

Blimey, she sounds amazing. I read an interview by some old men, who'd been tortured by the Gestapo and they admitted that they had talked in the end. They were reckoned to do so by the SOE after two days, most did break.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/03/2024 17:13

We were watching some of Portillo's Great Coastal Railway Journeys yesterday, the one including Liverpool had an interesting section on the secret anti U-boat war work there. Most of the staff in this unit (which played a major role in the Battle of the Atlantic) were Wrens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WesternApproachessTacticalUnit

JanesLittleGirl · 04/03/2024 18:01

This is fun. I am learning so much. Let's go back to industrial action.

The Match Girls Strike

In July 1888 some 1,400 of the predominantly female workforce walked out of the Bryant and May match factory in Bow. They stayed out under considerable hardship and won a resounding victory after three weeks. This strike is commemorated with a blue plaque at an entrance of the former factory at 3 Moreland Cottages, 60 Fairfield Road.

In the 1860s there were several match-making companies in east London, Bryant and May being among the three largest, and its four factories at Fairfield Works became one of Bow’s best-known industries. Men and boys mostly undertook the mixing, dipping and drying processes, while women and girls – who formed the majority of the workforce – removed the matches from frames and placed them in boxes. The company also employed armies of home workers to make the matchboxes.

By 1880 Bryant and May had become one of the largest producers of matches made with toxic white phosphorous. They had also adopted new machinery and taken over rival match companies and smaller outfits, forcing down wages. Such was their monopoly by 1880 that wages were lower than they had been 12 years earlier.

Annie Besant was a socialist who ran and edited The Link, the journal of the Law and Liberty League, along with radical journalist WT Stead. On 15 June 1888, she attended a meeting with other socialists at which the feminist writer Clementine Black discussed the working conditions at Bryant and May’s. A few days later, Besant and the activist Herbert Burrows stood outside Fairfield Works distributing leaflets to the workers leaving after their long day.

In an article in The Link, Besant catalogued the conditions suffered by the women at Bryant and May’s and publicised the fact that shareholders were receiving a sizeable dividend on the work of women, whose wages for dangerous labour averaged 11 shillings per week, and girls, who earned even less. She wrote:

"Born in slums, driven to work while still children, undersized because underfed, oppressed because helpless, flung aside as soon as worked out, who cares if they die or go on to the streets provided only that Bryant and May shareholders get their 23 per cent, and Mr. Theodore Bryant can erect statues and buy parks?"

In addition to bringing to light the low pay and the punitive system of fines and deductions inflicted by the company, The Link also drew attention to ‘phossy jaw’, or phosphorus necrosis, a deadly disease developed from working with the toxic white phosphorus used to produce the matches.

The strike of 1888

Bryant and May reacted to Besant’s scathing article by trying to find the whistle-blowers. By 2 July, in Besant’s account, the company had dismissed three women they considered to be ‘trouble makers’. Within days, around 1,400 workers walked out of Fairfield Works to protest at the dismissal.

According to the East London Advertiser, most of the strikers were of Irish descent and aged between 15 and 20. Recent research suggests that others were Jewish.

While Annie Besant is often credited with having organised the strike, it was in fact these young, working-class women who initiated it. There had been at least four other strikes over working conditions and wage reductions at Fairfield Works since 1881, demonstrating that the women were willing and able to organise.

On 17 July, Bryant and May agreed that all fines and deductions would be abolished and that there would be no victimisation of strikers. The company would also recognise the Union of Women Match Makers, which formed on 27 July 1888. By the end of the year it had become the Matchmakers’ Union and admitted both men and women.
An engraving of the interior of the match factory, with several workers making matches

After the strike

Newspaper campaigns of the 1890s exposed Bryant and May’s cover-up of phosphorus necrosis at the factory, which led to Government prosecution in 1898. In 1900 the company began production with a benign white phosphorus and in 1901 the chairman called for an industry ban on the use and import of its toxic form.

The late 1880s were a time of high unemployment and hardship for working people in London and elsewhere, sparking demonstrations and unrest. The strike at Fairfield Works is now increasingly seen as a spur to the New Unionism movement, which organised the ‘unskilled’ and lowest-paid workers to improve their conditions. Many of the match workers lived close to the docks and were the wives, daughters and sisters of dock workers.

In 1889 John Burns, later MP for Battersea and one of the key players in the gas worker and dock strikes, urged a mass meeting at the docks to stand shoulder to shoulder, and to remember the match girls, who had won their fight and formed a union.

turbonerd · 04/03/2024 18:20

@ArabellaScott
You’ll enjoy Karin Bojs book My European Family; The 54 000 first years.

It follows haplo-groups only transferred in female mithocondria. Traces females and their movement around the continent + some of their historical achievements.
A lovely book.