More Trouble for Gender GP

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Reported in The Telegraph, NHS warn GP’s not to use Gender GP.

GPs have been warned not to work with a discredited transgender clinic after the NHS issued an urgent safety alert.
Doctors have been told that they should not prescribe puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones on the advice of Gender GP as it does “not provide <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/isQNL/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/26/children-can-order-life-altering-transgender-drugs-bedroom/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">physiological or psychological support” to patients.

Sorry, couldn’t get a link from the site I was on.

Thanks OP. Good to see these charlatans finally being called out by the NHS. Hopefully more Trusts will follow suit.

The urgent warning has only been issued by the NHS body for commissioning in the south east. There doesn't seem to be a dickybird from NHS england. Hopefully, it'll be the start of the whole edifice crumbling.

https://archive.ph/isQNL Archive link to the above article to bypass the paywall

I hope it forces NHS England's hand - the south east commissioning group must have some sway, given the dense population in that part of the country.

Hopefully this will end up being a nationwide NHS warning shortly.

Thanks for sharing. Most docs I know/work with already refuse shared care with GenderGP - their 'shared care' letters are an absolute joke and their patients are without exception the most vulnerable. But GPs are in the unenviable position of (and being portrayed by GenderGP as) coming across as 'unsupportive' with the patients who most need their support. I sincerely hope NHSE share this warning more widely.

Fingers crossed this is taken up by NHS England. The thought of a child taking puberty blockers via an online service is horrific. Add in the evident lack of follow up care, assessment etc and this is just an appalling lack of safeguarding. Such a casual approach to medication with such serious effects (and side effects) shouldn’t be taken so lightly. I guess this is what happens when people are told it’s all sparkles and rainbows and completely reversible …

It feels like baby steps, doesn't it? I hope that this warning spreads and that it gets talked about over and over and over.

Thanks for the archive link @IcakethereforeIam as the link to the telegraph is coming up with a 404 page not found message

If you click on the Telegraph link you've then got to remove the characters "/ from the end of the link to get it working.

It’s the SE London CCG that’s issued the warning rather than a body for SE England. That is still 1.9 million people in the London Boroughs of Bexley, Bromley, Greenwich, Lambeth, Lewisham & Southwark. The first two are not really London, they’re bits of Kent with Notions, but that’s beside the point here.

It is worth noting that many of SE London CCG’s patients who require specialist/hospital treatment get it from Guy’s & St Thomas’ Trust - ie from whence the Rainbow Badge idiocy came. Some parts of GSTT think it is appropriate to spam patients with the Rainbow Badge logo on every communication 🤨 KCH, while a separate Trust, is linked to GSTT via EPIC, which you may recall is big on genderfeels.

SE London CCG can’t afford to get tangled up in Gender GP’s batshittery. The health inequalities highlighted in the BLACHIR Report^ extend throughout the CCG; & they need to provide for the health consequences of deprivation in parts of Inner London so horrifically polluted it’s killed a child. (And LTNs are essentially NIMBYing the heaviest traffic away from Naice Areas/where local councillors live 🤨).

The demography of SE London is not one that provides a natural home for GenderWoo. Dulwich, Blackheath, some bits of Greenwich… maybe 🤷‍♀️ but gentrification has flooded the place with great eejits who’re all for Beeeee Kiiiiiindddd (etc).

However, this latest is excellent news & excellent work by the CCG. Who I’ll now forgive for continuing to Red List one of my medications so it’s a faff to get 😉

^that’s the summary version, full report is available here

Through a previous line of work I had a small interaction that stays with me and could be relevant. Southwark has a very high proportion of residents with mental health needs compared to elsewhere - previous residents of Maudsley psychiatric hospital tend to come out of there and get housed in Southwark. For example there are a high amount of residents who are hoarders. Perhaps they are faster on the uptake as the numbers suddenly identifying as trans are higher than elsewhere? Just speculation.

I hope it's good news... I don't know how to think about this. I agree GPs shouldn't be working with GenderGP or fulfilling prescriptions at their say-so, and GenderGP should leave children alone - but that's not going to stop GenderGP's adult patients who are buying the prescriptions from them anyway and paying to get them fulfillled at a pharmacy.

My DC has to pay but can at least get prescriptions from GenderGP fulfilled in this country. Buying hormones online from overseas is not safe. DC's GP isn't doing "shared care" for the gender issues but I don't want DC's GP to refuse to look after DC either. DC is vulnerable and has mental health issues, and the GP is prescribing drugs for mental health that probably interact with the hormones.

I don't want the GP to just ignore what DC is doing with GenderGP. Sigh.

Does the GP know that your DS is seeing GenderGP? They don't always send a (terrible) letter and the prescription/diagnosis is therefore not recorded anywhere. Your DS should be getting monitoring bloods done (may be paying for them to be done at GPs?) which supplies a clue but is not infallible.

And of course his GP should not be ignoring his mental health - if he is on antidepressants then he should be on their radar even if they are not be in possession of full facts. GPs can support gender-confused kids without supplying hormones or even colluding in the delusion. Scratch that - that is what they should be doing.

Yes, thank you for asking. DC's GP knows what DC is doing with GenderGP and is prescribing for DC's mental health, though DC has to arrange blood tests and fulfill the hormone prescriptions elsewhere and I'm not sure how up to date the GP's information is about the hormone prescription. So it's a mix.

At least DC is an adult. GenderGP shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids, they are a safeguarding black hole.

Interesting. That CCG, as well as covering the area containing the Maudsley, the Bethlem and the Oxleas mental health trust, also includes Goldsmiths. Plenty of gender ideologues there.

Maybe not for children, but if adults can't get prescriptions fulfilled in the UK they'll get them online from abroad or from illegal sources and that's a public health risk in itself.

Glad to see this starting to filter through.
There is a YouTuber who is FtoM trans and managed to get T on prescription in March 2023 via an appointment with gender GP and by October had top surgery. This YouTuber has a history of BD and ED yet none of this seems to have been taken into account.

Bumping this

https://twitter.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1775188049661489344

Rumours that all the doctors have quit and helen (webberley presumably) is doing 18 hours of consultations, which seems very unsafe.

That is really concerning DSDaisy.

I'm worried about my DC who has been using GenderGP, and seems to be getting prescriptions fulfilled online not in the UK. DC's GP is not doing shared care so if GenderGP stops functioning or offers an even worse service than berfore then my DC could be left high and dry.

I will echo what I said on another thread after reading the GenderGP sub Reddit. It seems a dodgy pair running a dodgy outfit are in fact doing incredibly dodgy things.

No-one deserves to be ripped off but entrusting your health, wellbeing and money to them two was never going to end well. People have been well and truly exploited. HW probably never really cared about Trans Healthcare, not deep down. It was always about the money.