'Does the patient have a penis or vagina?' The 'nonsense' new transgender form the NHS makes doctors fill out.

[Rightsraptor]

I'm just reading an article in the DT with the above headline and it's making me furious and my blood boil. Can someone do that 12ft archive thingy for me please? You all need to read this.

It's the same American Epic system that is forcing midwives to record a newborn's 'gender identity'. It is such a load of shite but, even worse, it's absolutely fucking dangerous. And it's costing £450 million. Just who are these idiots who choose and buy these ideological systems?

The DT quotes such delights as the form asking for a patient's organ inventory! It asks staff to fill in the list of the organs the patient currently has, organs present at birth, organs surgically enhanced or reconstructed and organs hormonally 'enhanced'.

There's more, but I just wanted to get this crock of shite out there so you all know about it now.

Ye Gods. What are we going to do?

Here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/27/doctors-have-to-tick-whether-patient-has-a-penis-or-vagina/

https://archive.ph/FweMv archive link

To continue:
There's a new 'sexual orientation and gender identity form', which is regardless of the care or relevance to any treatment the patient is receiving. It asks for information around sexual orientation, sex 'assigned' at birth, preferred pronouns, if they have transitioned and to what extent and what future plans they have, if any, to 'change gender'.

How many trans people did our last UK census reveal - 0.5% or thereabouts. So all this for 0.5%?

When I first entered this war, there were some nutjobs saying that a newborn should be scanned and a list made of all the organs in the body, instead of just assuming this 'male' & 'female' thing. It's coming to pass, isn't it?

Oh yes, and we'll be assigned 'cisgender' by default if we don't say we're trans.

They can fuck right off with this.

Thanks, Cake.

There's a petition calling for an inquiry into how we got here;

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4952088-petition-hold-a-statutory-public-inquiry-into-gender-identity-ideology-and-queer-theory

Just to say, as far as I remember they think that the trans numbers from the census were vastly overstated due to the lack of clarity in the questioning particularly confusing those for whom English is not a first language, so it’s likely it’s much less!

I was listening to an interview with Dr Julia Mason and Wesley Yang on his podcast (Year Zero) and she was discussing the EPIC software and how prevalent it is in American hospitals. It sounded like it wasn’t amenable to accurate record keeping and was definitely very Queer Theory friendly

they are completely right to do this. we all know nhs workers are lazy and just sit around all day drinking cups of tea. damn right they should do some work for all the cash they rake in!

If the system can be configured by individual hospitals, as Epic is quoted as saying in the piece, then it makes it a non-universal record keeping system. The whole idea, surely, is to have standardised records across the entire NHS and easily accessible if say you break your ankle or go into labour early while on holiday in Cornwall or on a day trip to Manchester or whatever.

I thought the NHS was strapped for cash…

And the organ stuff is surely only of importance if you have a kidney transplant - they don’t go where your original ones are

Ridiculous. And when the backlash really gets going it will hurt women again as it will no doubt involve lots of stereotyping about proper male and female behaviour. Regressive nonsense always somehow rises to the top no matter the ideology left or right women lose. 🙄

That difference in record keeping criteria is an acknowledged problem of the US healthcare system - hospitals use individualised record keeping software because they offer very individualised patient healthcare. Swapping between hospitals, if they’re in different networks, can be tricky records wise.

And, I also thought NHS records were supposed to be standardised across the system 🤷‍♀️

What about the transgender people who have both penis and (surgically constructed to appear as a) “vagina”? Apparently there are a growing number of individuals who have both…

At the end or the article a spokesperson for the software tries to defend it by saying it’s capable of recording “both legal sex and gender identity. Documentation templates are configured locally in each hospital” (presumably with a straight face). And while that little snippet does make clear their adherence to the fucked up tenet that biological sex doesn’t really exist and so is of no concern to healthcare, it also highlights the fact people in the hospitals must have gone over these forms and not thought “Hold on a moment, is that what an HCP really needs to ask/record? Does that actually make any sense.”

The bending over backwards to accommodate the delusion that you can become the other sex is extraordinary and more so that it’s for software used by medical staff who absolutely, 💯 know that this is not and never will be a reality.

I was furious yesterday when I read that.

We are heading towards a 'computer says no' style of healthcare. If a patient (me) refuses to answer/cannot answer 'what is your gender identity?' will I be denied treatment because the field is obligatory and we can't move on with it incomplete?

This is pure brain washing.

Thanks for the petition link : I have signed it

OMG £450 m to call me cis? They can FO then FOSM. Can I have my money back?

Absolute nonsense. What a waste of money. Money that could be put to very good use.

10 minutes per patient is not enough as it is for me to deal with everything they need. I’m buggered if I’m dealing with that system too.

They can fuck right off if they start asking me confirm what organs I have. And fuck off some more if they go looking.

And I'm not bloody well going to start asking my patients either.

I was cross enough already as I discovered just today that our "Workplace" staff intranet system had automatically assigned my pronouns. Furthermore there were only three choices : she/her, he/him and they/them.

I've changed mine to he/him.

Let anyone challenge me.

In a way I'm relieved as this might mean the nhs email signatures I see may well be coerced and not through choice.

It's not on our emails. Yet. @Boomboom22
Those are by choice still.

If the question is actually worded "Does the patient have a penis or vagina?", then it is singularly uninformative. Because, apart from the vanishingly rare individuals who have neither, the answer is to be 'yes' for everybody.

If they want to find out which organ the patient has, the question needs to be phrased "Does the patient have a penis or a vagina?"

But, as we know, unclear language is critically important for the trans ideology. Far more so than the wellbeing of even its believers.

£450m wasted, and then people say that the NHS doesn't have enough money! Stop wasting it on this and spend on it on front-line staff!

It will be debatable who requested this question be asked like this, is it from the US company, or has it been from committees on the NHS? Both sides would have had a hand in implementing the system, and I don't think anyone wants to take the blame.