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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans women in the Armed Forces can live in female-only accommodation

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IwantToRetire · 21/02/2024 00:55

Trans military personnel born as men can live in female-only accommodation, an official government document states.

The document, written as part of the JSP 889, the official guidance regarding the recruitment and management of transgender personnel in the Armed Forces, states that the “determining issue” for allocating Single Living Accommodation (SLA), where a single, or unaccompanied person lives, is <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/nhSDs/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/11/trans-soldier-on-panel-army-event-deborah-penny-backlash/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the “affirmed gender” of the transgender person.

It states that “as soon as the transition process begins the person should be provided with accommodation that is appropriate to their affirmed gender”.

“From the date of transition, the person should also have use of the toilet and changing room facilities appropriate to their affirmed gender. Under no circumstances should a transgender person be expected, after transitioning, to use the facilities of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/nhSDs/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/29/colonel-forced-out-of-army-after-saying-men-cant-be-women/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">their assigned gender,” it reads.

Part of a longer article in the Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/20/transwomen-army-allowed-live-female-only-accommodation/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/nhSDs

Trans women in the Armed Forces can live in female-only accommodation

Concerns have been raised over official Government guidance that puts ‘vulnerable’ female personnel at risk of ‘predatory men’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/20/transwomen-army-allowed-live-female-only-accommodation

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Flickersy · 21/02/2024 22:02

JellySaurus · 21/02/2024 19:09

To my knowledge, the shared accommodation retains the sex segregation.

How did this mesh with “as soon as the transition process begins the person should be provided with accommodation that is appropriate to their affirmed gender”. ?

How does the army define or differentiate between sex and gender?

Because the JSP in the Telegraph article and which you quoted above only applies to SLA.

It does not apply to shared accommodation.

UltraLiteLife · 22/02/2024 01:04

Flickersy · 21/02/2024 22:02

Because the JSP in the Telegraph article and which you quoted above only applies to SLA.

It does not apply to shared accommodation.

SLA is provided to single and unaccompanied personnel and is generally within barracks at duty stations.
It is normally provided by means of a Mess or accommodation block and other than for those in training will normally be a single room with some communal facilities.
Where a soldier is posted to a location that has no or insufficient SLA, an application for SSSA is submitted and a suitable property is sourced from the local housing market either on a shared or sole occupancy basis depending on eligibility criteria.

https://www.army.mod.uk/people/live-well/housing/

My secondhand experience of friends and family is that you may well be in shared room accommodation during training (much depends on where you're posted).

SLA facilities can be notoriously basic and communal so you will be sharing poorly maintained shower and washing facilities that have scant privacy amongst other facilities.

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