Does anyone actually fully support trans people in women's changing rooms and loos?

[bottomsup12]

Just curious really? I see a lot of aggressive stances (Owen Jones eg) pro this on twitter etc. I don't get it.
The only reason I can think of is that it's never actually happened to them and they imagine it will be fine but when it actually happens a few times they might start seeing sense?

For the men who are aggressively pro it I wonder how they would feel is women just started flooding into their changing rooms and bathrooms ?

This shows a complete lack of boundaries on your part.

But your 'knowledge' is just the same old talking points, anecdotes and made up/manipulated statistics repeated ad nauseum.

You really are a first class misogynist aren't you?

It's quite interesting to me how many women latch on to the trans cause as a vehicle for their internalised misogyny.

The promiscuity or the off colour joke?

The pandering to men

I suppose what we are debating is who is a woman, and are these laws actually useful?

I am not debating who is a woman because it's a fact and therefore not worthy of a debate.

It's about as sensible as debating what is a dog or what is a tomato.

Which you have no evidence to back up your own rejection of.

Can you tell us what is made up about the male statistics of sexual offending?

Can you tell us what the statistics are, by UK prison statistics, of males with trans identities with sex offences?

Can you show us the studies that would discredit the current % of these male offenders in UK prisons being applicable as a generalisation to make using logic about male offending patterns?

You have nothing. People reading along can see you have nothing.

You are welcome to keep posting. Only you need to expect that we will just keep pointing out your lack of knowledge, accuracy and evidence.

Your clear lack of boundaries are your clear lack of boundaries.

Yep. It's just silly. One big charade.

It wasn't a joke.

Hmm. I don't think anyone who knows me in real life would accuse me of pandering to men lol.

I don't really believe in boundaries, but I certainly don't pander to men. The trail of tired, defeated men I've left in my wake can testify as such lol.

If you think I'm a useful idiot/handmaiden, that's fine. I think you're all useful idiots in the culture war, and that the people you are allying themselves will eventually come for your reproductive rights, and you'll then need actual real feminists to ride to your rescue. Dangerous games you're playing.

Interested in your honest answer to this @PP82 as you've engaged with lots of questions but not this one.

Would you tell a trans woman who wanted to use women's facilities due to their discomfort using facilities around natal men that they were fascists and tell them you're astonished that they live their life in fear of men?

Why are you lot so obsessed with boundaries? I always thought feminism was about smashing them.

oh... now we come to the next distraction. Reproductive rights.

What .... like exploiting other female people's fertility for your own use?

yes.. I see. Thanks for the warning.

the absolute paucity of logic, of evidence and of ethics

Yes. There never is anyone who stands behind the freedoms of men in women's spaces regardless of the cost to women, who doesn't also very quickly reveal a lot of other very interesting and unusual perspectives.

Apologies. I realise now that PP was talking about their own comment in regards to a joke.

You have already shown that you don't know about feminism at all.

Thank you. 😊

If boundaries are what protect women, Victorian Britain was the safest time and place to be a woman. No sexual violence then. Oh wait....

@PP82 in your opinion, what is a woman? How is that defined for you?

No, "us lot" are not debating who is a woman. "Us lot" know what a woman is.
Do you?

Edited to say: cross-posted with @Scirocco !

And again, you have used a historical era to falsely defend your weak argument.

The Victorian era was also an era where negative sexist discrimination was rife, as was female oppression. Plus the policing of laws was certainly not even as weak as it is today, it was weaker.

That you have attempted to use this to prop up your arguments is not showing you to have that ability to critically think through issues.

That you have attempted to use this to prop up your arguments is not showing you to have that ability to critically think through issues.

Beautifully understated.

If you think I'm a useful idiot/handmaiden, that's fine. I think you're all useful idiots in the culture war, and that the people you are allying themselves will eventually come for your reproductive rights, and you'll then need actual real feminists to ride to your rescue. Dangerous games you're playing.

There's always a strong whiff of conspiracy theory when you scratch the surface.