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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news

805 replies

fromorbit · 12/02/2024 21:09

'Particularly when it comes to questions around women's safety and health, biological sex is important.' Parents need to be involved in schools.

Rishi Sunak is asked 'why should LGBT people vote Conservative?'
GB News forum footage here:
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

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AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:04

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 19:58

Probably not, Stonewall would fit general views

I don't support stonewall.
But they haven't called themselves "institute for social integration" and pushed themselves as a "non-partisan educational charity".

We all know who they are and what there agenda is.

SabrinaThwaite · 15/02/2024 20:08

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 19:58

Probably not, Stonewall would fit general views

Would the average Joe who maybe knows Stonewall from its original remit understand how much its remit has changed, its deliberate misrepresentation of UK law, and how much it has quietly insinuated itself into government, education, public services, business etc?

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:08

Datun · 15/02/2024 18:38

Can I just add that effective safeguarding requires every single person to 'be interested'.

Mind your own business, would be the mantra of those who don't want effective safeguarding.

I'm not saying that's you, Adam, necessarily, but just so you know.

Safeguarding is about mitigating risk, and in the specific circumstances of transing a child, that is a risk not just for that child, but all the children they come into contact with.

There is a difference between safeguarding and generally having an opinion and casting judgement.
Parenting teens is hard enough without other parents passing judgement. Safeguarding is possible without being judgemental.

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:10

SabrinaThwaite · 15/02/2024 20:08

Would the average Joe who maybe knows Stonewall from its original remit understand how much its remit has changed, its deliberate misrepresentation of UK law, and how much it has quietly insinuated itself into government, education, public services, business etc?

Why is that a problem but Tufton Street think tanks aren't? What's the difference? (Beyond the obvious lack of transparency discrepancy?)

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:10

SabrinaThwaite · 15/02/2024 20:08

Would the average Joe who maybe knows Stonewall from its original remit understand how much its remit has changed, its deliberate misrepresentation of UK law, and how much it has quietly insinuated itself into government, education, public services, business etc?

Most people would barely know it imo, and likely not the damaging influence it’s wielding

Leafstamp · 15/02/2024 20:11

@AdamRyan Some schools definitely have staff who are busy indoctrinating children.

Some schools have staff who using children to validate their identity and belief in gender ideology.

Some schools have male teachers who have autogynephelia and are therefore acting out their paraphelia in front of children.

You betcha I am kicking (some) teachers.

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:11

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:10

Most people would barely know it imo, and likely not the damaging influence it’s wielding

Grin Everyone knows who stonewall are! Their employer index of the year used to be big business! That's funny...
EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:13

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:11

Grin Everyone knows who stonewall are! Their employer index of the year used to be big business! That's funny...

You’ll have to do a street poll and get back to us

You overestimate level of interest from people with lots of other stuff going on

And so what if they don’t know it?

It’s hardly an organisation to praise anymore

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:15

Is it a public sector thing that people would know Stonewall?

We never heard the name at work, it was irrelevant

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:17

I'm not public sector and my previous employers have been all over it. It's possible I'm wrong, but I feel they are a high profile charity

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:18

Might be sector dependent

Not a dicky bird in mine generally

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:20

Well if someone did hear about them and googled, what they saw would be an accurate reflection of what the charity stood for.

Transparency is good.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:22

‘Charity’ is questionable when thinking of what they do

More a lobby group

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:23

Leafstamp · 15/02/2024 20:11

@AdamRyan Some schools definitely have staff who are busy indoctrinating children.

Some schools have staff who using children to validate their identity and belief in gender ideology.

Some schools have male teachers who have autogynephelia and are therefore acting out their paraphelia in front of children.

You betcha I am kicking (some) teachers.

Edited

Kicking individual teachers who do that is fine.

Implying all schools are "captured" and transing children is not.

Can you imagine trying to run a school with a couple of thousand children and keep all the children, staff and parents on board with whatever position the school takes? It must be an absolute nightmare.

SabrinaThwaite · 15/02/2024 20:25

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:22

‘Charity’ is questionable when thinking of what they do

More a lobby group

A lobby group masquerading as a charity even. And funded by a fuck ton of public (taxpayers) money.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/02/2024 20:25

NotBadConsidering · 15/02/2024 19:58

“I’m as GC as anyone, but….”

lol.

When someone tells you who they are believe them.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:26

SabrinaThwaite · 15/02/2024 20:25

A lobby group masquerading as a charity even. And funded by a fuck ton of public (taxpayers) money.

Yes I think they lack transparency because even in the definition it’s not a true reflection of what they are doing

lifeturnsonadime · 15/02/2024 20:27

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:11

Grin Everyone knows who stonewall are! Their employer index of the year used to be big business! That's funny...

Not every business is big.

Not everyone works for a business at all !

Helleofabore · 15/02/2024 20:28

Again, what part of Sunak's answer linked to this very thread's OP means that someone insists on a new thread to discuss this issue.

It is relevant to this very thread and it doesn't need a new thread. To continue to double down on this seems dishonest at this stage. Or maybe some posters need to listen to the clip linked to the OP again, or a first time maybe.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:29

lifeturnsonadime · 15/02/2024 20:27

Not every business is big.

Not everyone works for a business at all !

Yes there’s so many who wouldn’t deal with them. It’s not that hard to imagine

Helleofabore · 15/02/2024 20:32

So, the issue seems to be that a charity doesn't fit the personal definition of a 'charity' for some posters.

Good to know.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 20:33

It’s more the assumption everyone knows who they are and what they do

I’d say that’s a stretch

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:36

Fine, if you want to discuss schools on here let's do that.
I thought it was a thread about RMW

OldCrone · 15/02/2024 20:38

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:23

Kicking individual teachers who do that is fine.

Implying all schools are "captured" and transing children is not.

Can you imagine trying to run a school with a couple of thousand children and keep all the children, staff and parents on board with whatever position the school takes? It must be an absolute nightmare.

I don't think anyone's suggested that all schools are captured and transing children without the parents' knowledge. But you seem to be denying that any are, when there are parents who have posted on here about their own children being socially transitioned at school and the school keeping it a secret from the parents.

OldCrone · 15/02/2024 20:38

AdamRyan · 15/02/2024 20:36

Fine, if you want to discuss schools on here let's do that.
I thought it was a thread about RMW

It's a thread about the clip in the OP.