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An article in Unherd on the extraordinary reasons for refusing to publish a study that attempted to examine the basis for these claims.

https://unherd.com/2024/02/why-did-three-journals-reject-my-puberty-blocker-study/

I've made it quite clear to you on many occasions that I do not enjoy being referred to as 'he' and I would like to ask you once again to please not do that. It is rude and communicates an active desire on your part to cause distress.

Oh. So Old Crone's distress in being compelled to incorrectly sex you is less important than your need to have others observe your ideological rituals. Understood.

Gosh.... And it has been made very clear to you that we don't enjoy male people such as yourself, being in female single sex spaces. I would ask you once again to please respect female single sex spaces, all of them. Even if the law permits you to use them. Would you please show some respect for the female people who are distressed to use a space where they are vulnerable with any male person over the age of about 8 years old.

And you have also been told just how much distress that causes female people.

This list of specific historical events fails to include many girls.

Is this a rote response typed without reading the post you're replying to?

On the contrary. All female people are impacted by menstruation, whether they menstruate or not. Whether they don't menstruate because of medical condition or a medical intervention. If they don't menstruate due to a medical condition, the overwhelming majority of the time that condition needs to be identified.

And in what way are 'girls' not all vulnerable? And in what ways did any female person grow up with the socialisation of being female with a female body. And being treated by society as being reacted to as a female child with a female body.

What a very bizarre claim.

I'm swithering as to whether BH's sentence is an example of Lifton's thought-terminating cliché or a special instance of Eliza and the Turing Test. (And, MNers on FWR are so used to reading strangled prose on this site for imposed reasons that it can take longer to recognise it.)

What a bizarre response from Butters.

On the Daily Mail article about this there is a specific case study of a TIF, aged 11 - 14.
At the start her global IQ was 80, so she didn't have brilliant prospects to start with. But by the end, it was only 70, which is borderline learning disabled and means she will struggle to function in society if she doesn't recover.

'And in what ways did any female person grow up with the socialisation of being female with a female body'

should be

And in what ways did any female person NOT grow up with the socialisation of being female with a female body.

Of course.

I think that Butterfly is included in 'many girls'. Other definitions would not include Butterfly.

Whether or not a person chooses to believe that a trans person is of the opposite sex and what language they choose to use is entirely up to them. YMMV.

It is a bit rich to require others to use your chosen language on the grounds that it upsets you when they don't, when you yourself have no intention of reciprocating and no interest in their feelings.

Yes, it would fit the historic perspectives that we have seen.

However, readers will understand that trying to portray that female experience is not universal except for some very rare medical conditions is the aim of some posters who which to wedge open the female experience so they can make it about them. When they are male.

When readers understand that a male then takes pride in advising female children and young people about significant issues they face as female people, I suspect that readers will be absolutely horrified. Particularly as in the past, that poster has attempted, laughably, to claim to know more about what female children and female young people experience than women who have life experience collectively about every aspect of having a female body and how society interacts with that person with a female body. Including, no less, that many of us actually experienced gender dysphoria as children. But apparently, this male knows more about their life experiences according to their past posts.

Readers can check back easily enough.

Wish not which

As predicted, you have declined to answer my question.

What made you think you were a girl?

Are we seeing the possible effect of puberty blockers on cognitive ability in action? Might that explain some things?

It is lovely for BH if BH’s experience of being ‘transgender’ has been positive. What BH appears to be unaware of, is how BH’s insistence that everyone has to be nice to BH causes distress to those of us who value physical reality over internal feelings, those of us who are beginning to feel the cognitive effects of aging, and those of us (and here I exclude myself) who are women.

Of course, the effect of BH’s dogmatism on me is quite small, as I have never met BH. But those trans people I have met, and their allies, have a far greater impact. Those who are, or sadly were, very close to me, have had an enormous impact which they do not seem to recognise. I am far from alone in having the choice between deliberately and repeatedly lying to and about my nearest and dearest, or being rejected by them as a ‘bigot’. Hobson’s choice.

It is not a healthy relationship when one person demands that another person sees them as they see themselves. I wonder how many people affected by this new ideology are being coerced into behaviour which is not healthy.

I suppose I have invested a great deal of time over several years into challenging misconceptions about the historical administration of puberty blockers and their long-term effects on one of the main rallying grounds of the UK anti-trans movement. Not exactly a strong datapoint in my favour there.

Where's this main anti-trans rallying ground? Do you have any success there?

There was once a male activist on here who seemed heartily convinced that childfree women's lives were just like men's lives; that is, the decision to never have children meant they magically never had to think about contraception, manage menstruation or be affected by sex discrimination at work. Apparently the moment a woman decides she will never have children, employers magically stop treating her the way they treat other women of childbearing age?

He couldn't seem to fathom that there might anything more onerous for women to avoiding pregnancy than saying "I don't want to be pregnant".

Remind you of anything?

I suppose I have invested a great deal of time over several years into challenging misconceptions about the historical administration of puberty blockers

Is that what you call it? I am absolutely certain we have told you on previous threads that puberty blockers have been linked to serious side-effects when prescribed for precocious puberty.

Yet on this very thread, you yet again invoked their use for precocious puberty as a defence for using them as a treatment for children with gender dysphoria.

Is this an inability to acquire new information, or was it intellectual dishonesty? It has to be one of the two.

Yes, but they're not misconceptions as is repeatedly explained. And that you see people not wishing to consent to a power exchange relationship with you in which they lie for your benefit to protect your feelings while you expect to have no regard for them at all as 'an anti trans' situation really says it all.