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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

My 18 year old says they are trans

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Chillichok · 07/02/2024 18:24

2 days ago, my 18 year old daughter told me that she is actually a man. They have paid for an online assessment of gender dysphoria which is taking place today, and apparently an officially accepted document of diagnosis.

I am surprised because she has more interest in traditionally female things than I do! I gave her opportunities to try traditionally male things like football as a child but she cried when someone kicked a ball at her! She loved ballet and floaty dresses and make up!

More recently, she had a 2 year sexual relationship with a very heterosexual boy when in 6th form and had to have a coil fitted after a pregnancy scare!

Now, suddenly, she's a man and it's not a fad because she is paying big money to make it happen. She's looking into private top surgery and applying for jobs so she can pay for it!

Has this happened to anyone else? I thought that trans people usually show how different they are from their assigned at birth gender...it's obvious, surely?

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dementedpixie · 07/02/2024 18:54

Who is she talking to online and who is she friends with?

Changethetoner · 07/02/2024 18:55

Do you think she was randomly assigned a gender at birth? Did you see the midwife with a Sorting Hat?

MissRheingold · 07/02/2024 18:55

Brainwashed at her place of education? Online friends?

It's horrific.

MissRheingold · 07/02/2024 18:57

How does she have access to money? I would be making things financially hard for her if you are the one giving her money or letting her live with you without paying anything etc.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 07/02/2024 18:57

Do you think this could be her acting out due to your relationship issues you posted about previously? Also where is she getting this big money when you said on your other thread that you're supporting her as a student and struggling to do so?

uhOhOP · 07/02/2024 18:57

Hopefully by the time she's managed to save up for her double mastectomy she will have grown out of this phase.

ZeldaFighter · 07/02/2024 18:58

Maybe she wants to identify out of womanhood? Does she think she won't run the risk of pregnancy again if she transitions?

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PurpleSparkledPixie · 07/02/2024 19:02

I'm sorry you are going through this. How has she paid for this diagnosis, and who is doing it?

Also, ask her how does she think she can change sex? What actually changes ?

Zodfa · 07/02/2024 19:04

Trans identity seems to be connected to gendered behaviours much less than one might think. Often it doesn't seem to go any deeper than one's feelings towards long hair and makeup - the most superficial toddler-level understanding of "gender".

I wonder if the breakup with her boyfriend might be something to do with it. That sort of thing could easily be giving her a lot of pain for which she sees switching gender as a solution, and perhaps a growing hatred of her own body that she's rationalising as "I hate my female body so I must be a man".

Lemonlemonlemonapple · 07/02/2024 19:22

It’s really difficult to give advice for this situation, but probably I think the most important thing is to maintain open conversation and a good relationship, however it is that things evolve. That way you’ll have more chance to be able to understand how she’s thinking, and how best you might be able to help.

I’d also say don’t assume she thinks in a particular way, based on stereotypes about transgender people. It can be unhelpful to think there is a “gender ideology”, as in reality transgender people think lots of different things.

She’s young and probably will repeat things she has heard that other people think, and will quite likely not have fully developed her own thinking. Keeping open communication will help you help her to develop her own thinking, and you’ll be able to challenge her thinking. You’ll also be able to help her see there are many different ways in which people cope with gender incongruence.

She will probably have a mixture of thoughts both that she is a woman and a man, and maybe nonbinary, even if it’s possible she might say she just thinks she’s a man. If you can help her process those thoughts before she leaps into body modification, she’ll be less likely to get into a situation where she has made changes that can’t be reversed, which she subsequently thinks were the wrong choice.

When trying to understand the issues, don’t listen to only one source (like only here for instance). Listen to what lots of different people say; that way you’ll build deeper knowledge.

If she has autistic / adhd traits she might get hyper focused on something, and you may be able to help her notice that, etc.

You can google what happens in these assessments, but unless there is something glaringly unusual, she’ll likely get a provisional diagnosis.

“I thought that trans people usually show how different they are from their assigned at birth gender...it's obvious, surely?”

Not necessarily. Some people believe that there are people who are really trans, and people who aren’t. A better way of thinking about it, I would suggest, is that the reasons people identify as another gender, transition, alter their bodies, etc, are complex multi-factorial and different for every person. Every person is different.

It’s not likely to be easy, but I wish you all good luck navigating it all!

Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:03

She has a friend of her own age who is a transwoman and taking hormones. They are both at uni about 300 miles apart but message each other

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Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:05

She is at uni miles away and would have to save thousands of pounds by some miracle!

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Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:06

She paid for it herself. Student loan money. I have told her exactly this. I think that she just doesn't like herself much

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SlightlyJaded · 07/02/2024 20:06

Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:03

She has a friend of her own age who is a transwoman and taking hormones. They are both at uni about 300 miles apart but message each other

Bingo

I think you should talk to her A LOT about the finality of surgery and find as many 'stories of regret' as you can to share with her. It's very likely that Trans Friend is egging her on and playing on any vulnerabilities and uncertainties, in order to have a 'mate to transition with'. Seriously. That happens.

Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:09

She ditched the boyfriend not the other way around

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PermanentTemporary · 07/02/2024 20:13

I think bookmark @Lemonlemonlemonapple's post.

For whatever reason this feels like a way of moving forward or being happy for her. I hope you can keep communicating.

Lovemusic82 · 07/02/2024 20:16

My dd decided she was trans when she was 18 after being almost every other ID under the LQBTQ+ cloud. She wears a binder but other than that there’s not any other masculinities about her. She likes the things most girls like (Taylor swift, making jewellery, fluffy animals etc…), she’s never been into make up or hair but then neither have I. She has friends at uni who are mainly trans, non binary or gay. She wants to start taking Testosterone but luckily she can’t afford it and she hasn’t got around to registering with the uni GP. I try not to worry about it too much, I’m happy to call her by her new name but as you may have noticed I’m not calling her he/him, I just can’t do that when i gave birth to her and know she will never be male.

she talks about surgery (upper) and Testosterone but I don’t feel this will ever happen unless she pays privately and she doesn’t work. She’s diagnosed with autism and is very childish, I can’t see a GP agreeing to surgery or T on the NHS.

Lovemusic82 · 07/02/2024 20:18

Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:03

She has a friend of her own age who is a transwoman and taking hormones. They are both at uni about 300 miles apart but message each other

Dd has a friend who has just started T, there was a huge celebration amongst her group of friends. I spoke to DD about it and she admitted that she couldn’t afford it but might be able to at some point. Luckily she wouldn’t spend her student loan on it because she wouldn’t be able to afford to stay at uni without her loan money. It does worry me how they are influenced so much by others.

Lemonlemonlemonapple · 07/02/2024 20:24

Chillichok · 07/02/2024 20:05

She is at uni miles away and would have to save thousands of pounds by some miracle!

I think she’ll probably be able to start testosterone, if that’s what she currently wants to do, for hundreds rather than thousands of pounds, as she would need probably only 2 private appointments. It would depend on what she said in the appointments. She might not want to do that. People generally seek diagnosis if they want to start medical things, but it’s also possible she might instead be looking for help, rather than specific medical intervention. In which case they would probably point her in the direction of some form of counselling, and tell her if she wants to come back in future she can.

Depending on where she gets a diagnosis from and her GPs views, she may be able to get an NHS prescription for testosterone (but I think would still have to pay for private endocrinology appointments periodically).

Keep talking to her.

Lovemusic82 · 07/02/2024 20:30

Lemonlemonlemonapple · 07/02/2024 20:24

I think she’ll probably be able to start testosterone, if that’s what she currently wants to do, for hundreds rather than thousands of pounds, as she would need probably only 2 private appointments. It would depend on what she said in the appointments. She might not want to do that. People generally seek diagnosis if they want to start medical things, but it’s also possible she might instead be looking for help, rather than specific medical intervention. In which case they would probably point her in the direction of some form of counselling, and tell her if she wants to come back in future she can.

Depending on where she gets a diagnosis from and her GPs views, she may be able to get an NHS prescription for testosterone (but I think would still have to pay for private endocrinology appointments periodically).

Keep talking to her.

She would not be able to start Testosterone on the NHS without counselling first, it’s not that easy. She could however go private, Testosterone isn’t that expensive , she would pay for several consultations and for the T and would then need regular check ups whilst taking it. DD’s friend is funding Testosterone with a part time job.

ThereIbledit · 07/02/2024 22:17

Lovemusic82 · 07/02/2024 20:30

She would not be able to start Testosterone on the NHS without counselling first, it’s not that easy. She could however go private, Testosterone isn’t that expensive , she would pay for several consultations and for the T and would then need regular check ups whilst taking it. DD’s friend is funding Testosterone with a part time job.

It's that easy to fund Testosterone privately? Well fuck.

MrGHardy · 07/02/2024 23:50

"She would not be able to start Testosterone on the NHS without counselling first, it’s not that easy. She could however go private, Testosterone isn’t that expensive , she would pay for several consultations and for the T and would then need regular check ups whilst taking it. DD’s friend is funding Testosterone with a part time job."

I mean isn't this just a confession of failure of the medical profession. The body that doesn't make money off patients does due diligence before spending, and the body (private) that makes money off patients provides the desired treatment.

And also a sign that this is more a cosmetic thing rather than a medical, because what other medical issue is handled the same way? If you have any medical condition going private doesn't mean getting the treatment you want without diagnosis and medical history.

InAMess2023 · 07/02/2024 23:51

Anyone who has to pay for a diagnosis, doesn't really have that diagnosis. There I said it

IwantToRetire · 08/02/2024 00:49

I dont really have any advice, and hope the PP will be helpful.

But think it is worth remembering that some women see transitioning as a way of escaping the relentless sexism that many women face. There have been articles from women saying (which I would have thought was just totally banal and not grounds for top surgery) that they really longed to be able to walk around bare chested in the way that men can. (Articles in the Guardian needless to say.)

Has she spoken about problems like that, eg is she studing a "traditional male" subject at university. Has she had difficulties as a young adult woman being taken seriously.

Did she end her relationship with the young man because of his attitude to women?

Sorry if this seems irrelevant when you have been presented with her decision.

Just not sure apart from talking to her and asking her how she had decided this now, that you can do much given her age and acess to money.

Is it worth pointing out that there will be enough pressure just getting through her university course, and that maybe she should delay doing anything until she has completed that.

After all that would give her 3 years to "live as a man", rather than suddenly talk about testosterone and top surgery.