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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Needmoresleep · 04/02/2024 11:59

Lots of people disagree with Truss, but they tend to say why they disagree.

It the "a horror" that I find quite offensive.

Cleverley, Sunak and others don't get the same.

jasflowers · 04/02/2024 12:13

Needmoresleep · 04/02/2024 11:59

Lots of people disagree with Truss, but they tend to say why they disagree.

It the "a horror" that I find quite offensive.

Cleverley, Sunak and others don't get the same.

Saying that her views are a "Horror" is not really an insult though is it?

No one as far as i can tell, say she is a horror.

Sunak gets called short, Cleverly not Clever and Truss stupid, Starmer gets called La Starmer, Keith, boring etc as for Boris, well he gets an awful lot of personal insults.

But yes it would be better if we all played the ball and not the politician but unfortunately we take our lead from the 'commons.

Needmoresleep · 04/02/2024 12:17

The earlier poster commented

"She's a horror"

Not her views. Wrong views = bad person? Particularly if you are from a minority.

jasflowers · 04/02/2024 12:20

Needmoresleep · 04/02/2024 12:17

The earlier poster commented

"She's a horror"

Not her views. Wrong views = bad person? Particularly if you are from a minority.

Missed that.

No need to be said.

DameKatyDenisesClagnuts · 04/02/2024 12:50

It was me who said she's a horror. I stand by it. She absolutely doesn't give a shit about women and her stoking of culture wars is unforgivable. Just for the record, my opinion is that Liz Truss is even more of a horror.

SerendipityJane · 04/02/2024 13:11

I find the ongoing decline of "Moms for Liberty" in the US instructive. Propelled by their know "what a woman is" stance, they garnered a lot of support until people realised they were also fiercely anti-choice and indeed anti women. The hypocrisy goes without saying, naturally.

That's sort of relevant here, because cloaking yourself in one truth doesn't cover up the rest of the package.

Anyway, in political reality, Badenoch is doing her best to avoid being the next Tory leader before the election. To the extent that all the talk pushing her now is probably being pushed by a rival looking to eliminate her from the race.

TempestTost · 04/02/2024 17:14

It's not enough to say "voted against women's rights and services" or "against environmental measures."

The question is what are the measures being proposed? Will they be effective, and what are the costs and trade-offs?

I am very doubtful that KB is against protecting women's rights. But she might very well, for example, be against hate speech laws, and for very defensible reasons.

And frankly most things governments propose to address environmental issues are likely to be ineffective or have significant downsides that also need to be considered.

Too often I think there is a tendency to assess politicians by a kind of tick-box, where they have supported rules which are presented as being pro-some social justice issue. Whether they are effective, impinging on other rights, or will lead to other problems, seems to be ignored completely.**

Sausagenbacon · 05/02/2024 15:31

I'm not sure if this is readable, but Julie Burchill has written a good article about this

www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-kemi-badenoch/

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2024 22:39

There’s something attractively all-too-human about Badenoch; a feeling that she might lose her temper at any moment if she has to hear anymore of your ruddy nonsense, be it about Brexit or gender woo-woo.

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Propertylover · 06/02/2024 07:11

That is a good article, thank you for the link.

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