Badenoch for PM?

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/56bada67-325f-4c2d-84a5-f429711a4b5a?shareToken=c4bbadd15a08be11eab2d11a87982896

What say FWR?

Hard to disentangle trolling or bs from reality now. So grotesque has the inequality and selfishness become.

But you see they do affect you.....

If you are in a car accident and need urgent medical attention it will be an NHS ambulance taking you to an NHS A&E. BUPA aren't going to send out a little private ambulance for you with your own monogrammed slippers warming in the back.

If you swim in the sea and get sick because of sewage in the water you will wish you'd cared more about the environment.

If you don't have food to eat because the environment has been ruined you'll wish you'd cared more.

Those children will be the people looking after you and your DH when you are in a care home.

Oh, and not all would get away with corruption given the chance. Millions of people have stronger principles than you.

As long as you have this demographic of tory voter and the pensioner cohort (some, I might add), the tories can continue running the country into the ground unencumbered. The in-fighting doesn't help the overall optics but a bit of infighting never stopped a tory from knowing which side their bread's buttered on.

No - I have worked for women and definately am one but as exemplified by many on MN - the infighting, the carping, the hive mind that everything must be about and for women is enough to deter me.

Name one successful woman PM of this country?

I am expressing an opinion just like you are and your shouting me down is an example of the intolerance of certain sections of woman-hood. I did my own thing in the 70s and supported equal right for women etc but what we have now is that everything must be viewed through the lens of 'women must be in charge, they can do no wrong'.

I have every right to make a comment on a feminist topic - just as you have

My god. I'm genuinely appalled.

@ruby1957 'what we have now is that everything must be viewed through the lens of 'women must be in charge, they can do no wrong'.

• Domestic violence
• Harassment and rape
• Only 1% of reported rape cases result in prosecution
• Misogyny by the police
• Online abuse
• Female genital mutilation
• The fact that women are less likely to have personal pensions and when they do they have less money in them
• 70% of the people struggling financially in retirement are women
• Safety equipment designed for the male body only
• The pay gap. ..THE PAY GAP!!!
• Women generally start their careers with more qualifications but on less money than men
• Women do do the majority of unpaid work in the UK e.g. cooking, cleaning and caring. On average around 60% more than that undertaken by men

There is no lens of 'women must be in charge and they can do no wrong.'

Given the above list it's a wonder that the 'hive mind' hasn't burst out into a full on revolution.

What a fucking disgusting post. Idiotic on every level.

I suppose internalised misogyny can affect us all. Bloody depressing, however.

I think Badennoch would be a terrible PM because I fundamentally disagree with her politics.
But I can't believe a previous PP said they don't want her because I they don't want another woman! It's such a stupid comment.
There have been three women PMs all from the same party. I didn't like any of them but their sex has nothing to do with it. How many male PMs have there been? And how many of those have been good? I think the last three male PMs we have had have been disastrous!

This.

She's grossly anti-women. Absolutely not.

I think she let women down with regard to not protecting women who are discriminated against during the menopause, and was so dismissive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64813207.amp

Being a woman, in itself is immaterial, would you like someone like Marine Le Penn to be our PM ? tbf KB is probably to the right of even her.

What matters is policy and Badenoch blows with the wind, attaches herself to any cause in which she sees political opportunity.

Take 5 mins to look at her voting record since being an MP, same with Braverman.... very right wing and against women's rights as she wants less equality and lower funding for council services i.e Schools, Social Care, DV refuges etc.
Also doesn't give a shit about the environment, you know the things our children will have to deal with.

Not as PM (the Tories are not winning the next election) but would be better if she was leader of the opposition against Starmer.

England isn't 'inherently conservative'.

1. Conservative/right wing parties get less than half the popular vote - they usually win because a) the non-Conservative parties have their vote split between Lab/Lib/Green/SNP etc and b) First past the post voting system.

2. It's the older vote that votes Tory. The Conservatives have a massive deficit under actual working age people. They rely on the retired vote and the massive baby boomer cohort.

3. People vote in self-interest, you're right. The Tories have pretty much failed on every metric in government and that's why they'll be voted out.

It really is terribly bourgeois to judge people on their record of actions, rather than their aspirations. It's so last century.

Or so I have been told lately.

Hopefully, worth joining the Conservative party to ensure that.

Would keep Labour in for a 2nd term (though they have to win the next GE fisrt, not a given by any means)

But it won't happen, i don't think people realise how racist the 'party membership is.... Sunak lost against Truss when the membership had the say & Truss was probably the most inept candidate the party could have managed to put up against him, yet still he lost.

Why the “a horror”. Dislike her views by all means. She is both Conservative and socially conservative. She is also clear and consistent.

I don’t know why women so often choose to disagree with other women by insulting. Most noticeable when commenting on female politicians of colour. You could try “I disagree with her because…”

No thanks, great she knows people can’t change sex, (we all know that) but if she gave a shit about that she would have started moves to dismantled the GRA. Has she? Has anyone in the Tory party? No. So I don’t think she gets any special credentials on that issue.

Plus she’s cheerleading the titanic economic failure that is Brexit with extremely selective/mendacious claims to try to make herself look leadership material.

Her recent claims on Brexit don’t stack up, as investigated by the Observer. So again no, she is not inspiring confidence. We need good quality leaders in all the main parties because that’s important for democracy so I’m not just carping because she’s a Tory. I think Starmer has been seriously underwhelming and really wish better options would hurry up and emerge within Labour.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/brexit-trade-perks-firms-business-department-leaving-eu-companies

Like i said, look at her voting record? its against women's rights and services.

Also the "i ve written to the ECHR.." stuff, she knows that holds no weight, all talk.

Her Govt could get on and reform the GRA if they wanted too, she is just using excuses and blaming others for their own failings.

Strangely silent on a man the Tories gave asylum too, despite a known sex offender, who then threw acid at a woman and her children, some champion of women's rights.

Like i said, look at her voting record? its against women's rights and services

The fact she can look at Brexit and not see it's a shitshow tells you that she is prepared to believe in anything to stay in power. Or rathe prepared to tell you she believes in anything to stay in power.

I am not saying I agree with her.

I am just asking why she is described as "a horror". Personal insults where none is needed.

From outside it appears that left leaning women have a real problem with women of colour (Suella, Priti, Kemi) who don't do the right thing and vote Labour. These women get far more invective than other Conservative politicians. As if there is a hierarchy: white men; men of colour; white women; women of colour.

This. And also everything @ThePenguinIsDrunk says.

Voting on a single issue is insanity. The Tories (how many rapes and sexual assaults this year?) party will promise the earth and change with the wind when it suits them. Their track record around women, children and those in poverty is beyond appalling. How anyone can't see this is beyond me.

Tell that to Diane Abbott.... who gets more hate than all other women in Parliament put together.

The thread is about Badenoch, i'd argue a thread about Liz Truss would get even more invective, as has Boris Johnson.
Its not about colour or being female, its about politics and hers are very divisive & she is also a fraud, hacking an opponents website???

I don't disagree. It seems to be that if you don't agree with a woman of colour you insult them. A sort of how dare they have strong opinions.