Exactly. If you’re going to tell men they have to go in the men’s space or the special feelz 3rd space regardless, then there’s absolutely no need for a legal process that gives them a certificate that certifies a falsehood (“lived as a woman” for a year).
Just tell them to stay out of the women’s spaces😵💫
Which is what I would do. A GRC is no more “truth” than self-ID. Why should effort be expended to come up with solutions for men who have chosen a different pathway of false declaration just because it’s been given an air of authority? Why should feminists protect this group over another? It still hasn’t been made clear.
It comes back to the theme of the thread. Without clear definitions of “trans” it’s putting the cart before the horse. It’s legal wrangling, word mangling, angsting, 400+ posts of multiple threads over years achieving nothing.
And clear definitions of “trans” and other gender words can’t be given because they rely on being a believer. Any definition given falls down because it has to be workable for non-believers too.
The bottom line is that the entire debate is centred around what to do after a man has declared a certain falsehood about himself instead of asking why anyone should care about taking his declaration seriously and moving beyond that.
”Trans” is, by Stonewall’s definition, an umbrella term. It includes:
Cross dressing heterosexual men
AGP men
Homosexual transsexuals
Distressed adolescent girls
Rigid young adults with ASD
People with body dysmorphia
Children with confusion around sexual identity
And so on. How can such a group with such diametrically opposed motivations and needs be lumped together needing a set of rights?
This is where the OP (and many others before) has failed and has failed to acknowledge this. Answer this question first, establish whose requirements we are talking about, then we can have a poll on the options and debate them. This was asked on the first page.
The only reason not to do this would be the argument that this horse has bolted too, and that these men are out there and need dealing with now. I can see that argument but I would disagree. We are in this mess because of the mangled legally dubious language of the GRA in the first place. “Live as a woman”🙄. No one thought that through. There’s zero point of coming up with new options without properly thinking things through and acknowledging that “trans” needs a legally workable definition representing a clear group of people is step one of properly thinking things through.