Mermaids advise the CPS on 'sex by deception'

[ArabellaScott]

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Mermaids-Consultation-Response_-Deception-as-to-Gender_-proposed-revision-to-CPS-legal-guidance-on-Rape-and-Serious-Sexual-Offences-1.pdf

Mermaids Response to Consultation on the Deception as to Gender section in the Rape and Serious Sexual Offences (RASSO) legal guidance

'as a charity that support young trans and gender diverse people, we are concerned that many of the recent prosecutions for sex crimes on the basis of deception as to gender affect young people'
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'Even if a trans person lies about their gender history or assigned sex at birth, they remain an authentic man'

[verbatim copy and pastes - Arabella]

The consultation:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/consultation/consultation-deception-gender-section-rape-and-serious-sexual-offences-rasso-legal

There seem to be some people on here who are under the delusion that Mermaids is a charity to help children and young people who are struggling with their gender identity. It's not. Mermaids is an organisation dedicated to transitioning young people, come hell or high water, regardless of what issues might be causing the young people to be confused about who they are.

Having only just woken up, then read that, I'm back off to bed.

The world is no longer fit for use!

Charitable object:

'TO RELIEVE THE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL STRESS OF ALL PERSONS AGED 19 YEARS AND UNDER WHO ARE IN ANY MANNER AFFECTED BY GENDER IDENTITY ISSUES, AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND TO ADVANCE PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THE SAME.'

I wonder when the CC investigation will ever finish up?

Over a year, now.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-announces-statutory-inquiry-into-mermaids

Charitable object:

'TO RELIEVE THE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL STRESS OF ALL PERSONS AGED 19 YEARS AND UNDER WHO ARE IN ANY MANNER AFFECTED BY GENDER IDENTITY ISSUES, AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND TO ADVANCE PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THE SAME.'

Including those who may be sex offenders who are emotionally stressed by the fact they didn’t deceive their victim well enough.

The entire premise of mermaids is deception and gaslighting.

I love a bit of columbo posting.

It’s all just ridiculous.

We really do need to have the factual basis of biological sex established in law. There’s a sentence you’d never have imagined even 10 years ago.

People are male or female. And, no TRAs, the 0.2% (an estimate including women with PCOS - so casting the net as widely as possible) who have some kind of health condition that affects sexual development do not somehow make that untrue, any more than the existence of people with limb deformities etc does not make the statement ‘humans are a bipedal species’ untrue.

How people want to think of themselves and how they want others to think of them - their ‘identity’ - has nothing to do with this.

There are a whole range of circumstances in which the simple fact of someone’s sex matters - and it’s not OK to deceive others about it. Consent to sexual activity is one of the most fundamental of those circumstances.

There is a very good reason why we use the shorthand ‘sex’ to refer to sexual activity. Because the biology matters. It matters whatever your sexual orientation or preferences.

Weirdly this posted again when I reopened the thread.

Oops

That 0.2% of the population is a "mistake" by ONS, the number is much smaller than that. ONS "accidentally" misframed the question to reach the inflated figure. And of course the mistake had nothing to do with the fact that Alison Pritchard – Deputy National Statistician for Data Capability is a trans-identifying male.

This is so ridiculous it is beyond belief.

Noticed the CPS consulted two groups separately.

Women’s services in one workshop (my god would i have loved to have been there) Presumably the voices of victims and potential victims.

And the other group workshop representing, erm,perpetrators, and potential perpetrators.

How extraordinary.

Do they do this with other crimes? Rapists and their victims perhaps?

They seem to be signalling that they don't think it is a crime, or at least not a particularly serious one.

That’s why I said that the 0.2% includes things like women with PCOS to try to maximise the reach of the category.

But, even if the figure were 0.2% in any meaningful sense, it wouldn’t change the basic fact that sexual dimorphism IS a characteristic of humans.

Health conditions and other disorders don’t make that not true.

Well.

Largely claiming they will be emotionally stressed if they are in any way held accountable for abusing another person, or not protected from their abuse victim doing shame inducing things like complaining, crying, feeling raped or assaulted, or wanting protection under the law.

It's like trying to complain to a cop that you'll be emotionally stressed if he arrests you for having just battered that person, but you want them arrested for bleeding on you because it's just upsetting and shaming, as if you've done something wrong.

The law is there to protect the public from those who would abuse. Why they abuse, and how they feel while and after abusing is not bloody relevant to anyone but their therapist and possibly their parole officer.

And of course the mistake had nothing to do with the fact that Alison Pritchard – Deputy National Statistician for Data Capability is a trans-identifying male.

Oh look! It's yet another undeclared, unmanaged, wholly unethical conflict of interest for political gain thing again.

It's bloody everywhere.

The actual DSD figure is less than 0.018%

Nolan Principles of Public Life are for the little people. Not those who already have unswerving confidence in their moral compass and Being On The Right Side of History.

So interesting that the transactivist captured CPS fought so hard and for so long to keep their secret collusion with Mermaids, Stonewall etc hidden. All part of the Denton's playbook. Keep all your anti democratic actions hidden and secret.

There really needs to be a major investigation into how this critical state organisation has been captured by these powerful, anti democratic, self serving organisations engaged in destroying the social contract.

'Crybully' comes up again.

It's a bit of a nonsense to have facts enshrined in law. I doubt the curvature of the earth, the existence of milk and adult teeth or that fire burns in a process of oxidation is enshrined in law...

And people dispute the above knowledge constantly. Scientifically, it should be possible to dispute the received knowledge and prove otherwise or acknowledge you got it wrong and the received knowledge was right all along.

But in the case of sex and curvature of the earth and of all other recent disputes, it is the very process of peer review and updating the scientific body of knowledge which has been corrupted.
No amount of law making can fix that. There's an underlying flaw in the system and I can't quite put my finger on what it is.

Using the law is a stop gap. This will keep happening until science regains its integrity.