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Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival

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NorthernIrishFeminist · 23/01/2024 14:58

Employers seem to be slow learners when it comes to women's rights! There’s another employment tribunal case being brought by a woman who attended and took the microphone at a Let Women Speak event in Belfast last year and has been treated very badly by her employer Belfast Film Festival as a result.

Looks like we’re going to have to keep gardening until they get the message.

disclaimer. I don’t know Sara and have no connection to BFF I’m just a woman who likes donating to causes that make a difference

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 13/11/2025 17:14

murasaki · 13/11/2025 16:13

For somebody who works in the arts not to have heard of wrongthink is mind boggling.

Or utter lies.

I’d love it if tomorrow NC presented her with a copy of 1984

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 17:17

MarieDeGournay · 13/11/2025 16:20

I hope that's just about getting used to her detailed questioning which has no obvious point of arrival - which is the whole point of it!
But MD has been surprisingly cheeky - she got told off by the judge yesterday for making a joke about Sarah Palin 'a tribunal is no place for a joke'- but it doesn't seem to have stopped her today.
I wonder what the judge will make of her attitude - it's one thing to disrespect NC, but she has already been reprimanded for disrespecting the tribunal .

I'm not reading attitude from the judge toward NC because he is intervening to ask where the questioning is going. I think he will be fully aware of NC's reputation and is trying to ensure that the questions don't allow her a platform for wider issues.

NC was accused of that by JR in NHSFife ET. Undoubtedly NC is using these cases to make changes at a much bigger level and for good reason. She doesn't want individual women to have to face this awful silencing and cruelty just because they 'stand up for women's rights' (and MC has made a total tit of himself by claiming this is something the far right say so can't be legitimate for a feminist to say) and so she does stray into territory beyond the bounds, as it were to establish law so that employers take note and don't put folk through this. SM v BFF is the first opportunity to tackle this in the arts because even though it is a tiny organisation few in the arts have the bravery of SM. Most buckle/ hide because it is so precarious a living.

That being said, post FWS, she has no need to go into the weeds of ideology because that is now settled re EQ and Workplace Regs so she is focused much more on fairness and lack of consideration for anything outside one narrow version and how that has been used to create justify, and excuse harassment and constructive dismissal.

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 17:22

AlecTrevelyan006 · 13/11/2025 17:14

I’d love it if tomorrow NC presented her with a copy of 1984

She's going to be so embarrased about that one when someone explains it to her.

At the moment she has been encouraged to believe that NC is a witch, they did absolutely nothing wrong because transphobic, the process is nonsense, a waste of her time and the organisation's money and so she is 'dead on' to use her words, up for a fight and confident of her own ability to lie, cheat, manipulate and distort to ensure she stays in her job.

She has no idea how she is showing herself up within the field of arts. It's interesting to think in terms of their idea of inclusivity, if a working-class person, say, wanted the gig as director of BFF they would be expected to prove they had more than a glancing knowledge with wider culture/ books etc. They would never get the job if they said they'd never heard of such a thing as wrongthink as if it was just a stupid idea bubbling out of this stupid advocate's head.

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 17:26

Tbf, “wrongthink” doesn’t turn up in 1984, but it’s definitely a reference to “thoughtcrime” in the manner of Newspeak.

MarieDeGournay · 13/11/2025 17:27

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 17:04

IANAL but I think quite often ET judges, and judges in general (the good ones anyway) have a lot of compassion for ordinary folk, so to speak, put under the pressure of the witness box.

I suspect he'll have even more compassion for a witness facing NC. He will undoubtedly be aware of how instrumental she was to the FWS judgement and her resourcefulness with regard to the ongoing NHSFife case. I suspect he will be aware of Elves' rising star status too.

That compassion won't generally run to more than being kind to them in person and perhaps not completely savaging them on a personal level in any judgements but when it comes to the evidence she has presented it becomes all about her credibility, as far as I understand it, and that relationship between credibility and the evidence as presented to the ET.

The fact that she answered glibly to the question about why she hadn't included the supportive emails in her WS will not serve the idea of her credibility well.

She'd have done better to say something along the lines of, 'That was an oversight. I should have done.'

If she had been more credible the judge might have inferred that her counsel should have asked her if there were such and suggested she include them but because of the lack of credibility he might infer that she was holding things from her counsel too.

I like the idea of judges going easy on ordinary folk, especially in a courtroom - I've given evidence twice and been on a jury twice, so I know it is daunting - especially giving evidence with the accused fixing you with an unsettling stare..

MD isn't ordinary folk, though, and judging from the transcripts, she isn't scared of anything or anyone, so her flippancy and out-of-place words like 'dead-on' aren't coming from a place of fear or nervousness.
She reads as someone sure of herself to the point of cockiness, and very very certain that she is on the Right Side of History, regardless of what any judge or tribunal or fancy barrister thinks.
I may be wrong of course.

As you say, Largofesse, the judge may have come to a similar conclusion..

MyAmpleSheep · 13/11/2025 17:27

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 17:04

IANAL but I think quite often ET judges, and judges in general (the good ones anyway) have a lot of compassion for ordinary folk, so to speak, put under the pressure of the witness box.

I suspect he'll have even more compassion for a witness facing NC. He will undoubtedly be aware of how instrumental she was to the FWS judgement and her resourcefulness with regard to the ongoing NHSFife case. I suspect he will be aware of Elves' rising star status too.

That compassion won't generally run to more than being kind to them in person and perhaps not completely savaging them on a personal level in any judgements but when it comes to the evidence she has presented it becomes all about her credibility, as far as I understand it, and that relationship between credibility and the evidence as presented to the ET.

The fact that she answered glibly to the question about why she hadn't included the supportive emails in her WS will not serve the idea of her credibility well.

She'd have done better to say something along the lines of, 'That was an oversight. I should have done.'

If she had been more credible the judge might have inferred that her counsel should have asked her if there were such and suggested she include them but because of the lack of credibility he might infer that she was holding things from her counsel too.

He will undoubtedly be aware of how instrumental she was to the FWS judgement

Correct me if I"m wrong but NC wasn't involved in FWS.

In the Supreme Court hearing Aidan O'Neill KC appeared for FWS, and Ben Cooper KC intervened on behalf of Sex Matters.

Propertylover · 13/11/2025 17:28

I’ve donated to Nick. He has done a sterling job not just on this case but Glinner as well.

Thank you to all those who have posted his tweets. I have done a speed read to catch up and my thoughts are MD has been very silly and not taken this ET seriously.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/11/2025 17:37

I sent a few carrots Nick's way as well.

I really appreciate him coming all the way over here to (soggy) Norn Iron to cover this tribunal, especially when the Tribunal refused to allow livestreaming and Tribunal Tweets to cover it.

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 17:51

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/11/2025 17:37

I sent a few carrots Nick's way as well.

I really appreciate him coming all the way over here to (soggy) Norn Iron to cover this tribunal, especially when the Tribunal refused to allow livestreaming and Tribunal Tweets to cover it.

Ooh, I’d not realised. So they got an actual investigative journalist (and the hero of the post office scandal, no less) instead of mere citizen volunteers. I’d say that’s worked out well.

MyAmpleSheep · 13/11/2025 17:54

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 17:51

Ooh, I’d not realised. So they got an actual investigative journalist (and the hero of the post office scandal, no less) instead of mere citizen volunteers. I’d say that’s worked out well.

He's in fact not associated with Tribunal Tweets; he's an independent investigative journalist, and his tweets appear under his own account and name.

FarriersGirl · 13/11/2025 17:55

I have popped a few plants on Nick's blog site. He's putting a lot of time into this and it is good to have someone like him taking such an interest. Also thanks to @MyrtleLion and other knowledgeable commentators on here.

Keenovay · 13/11/2025 18:04

NC: "Dangerous opinions" is in the email.

Had to go back and check, but by jove she's right (course she is).

I may have nightmares tonight about being cross-examined by NC.

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 18:12

MyAmpleSheep · 13/11/2025 17:27

He will undoubtedly be aware of how instrumental she was to the FWS judgement

Correct me if I"m wrong but NC wasn't involved in FWS.

In the Supreme Court hearing Aidan O'Neill KC appeared for FWS, and Ben Cooper KC intervened on behalf of Sex Matters.

Edited

Yes, sorry, I meant indirectly in building the arguments not directly in the legal process.

Largofesse · 13/11/2025 18:14

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 17:26

Tbf, “wrongthink” doesn’t turn up in 1984, but it’s definitely a reference to “thoughtcrime” in the manner of Newspeak.

Edited

But I think it has become common parlance drawn from 1984 in general. I mean commonly understood to be referencing that. I don't think folk would generally be tested on actual quotes from a novel...😉

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 18:38

MyAmpleSheep · 13/11/2025 17:54

He's in fact not associated with Tribunal Tweets; he's an independent investigative journalist, and his tweets appear under his own account and name.

Yes, that’s what I said.

MyAmpleSheep · 13/11/2025 18:46

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 18:38

Yes, that’s what I said.

I misunderstood your "they" in "So they got an actual investigative journalist (and the hero of the post office scandal, no less) instead of mere citizen volunteers"

My apologies.

YouCantProveIt · 13/11/2025 18:48

MyrtleLion · 13/11/2025 15:34

From NW

MD I probably have about 50 or more [examples] - you could just look through the work we've done over the last 25 years, as SM should have done. There's a whole bundle I've got.
NC you are trying to show us that you have done lots of work and all you've got is work you did in...

But Naomi - what you don’t understand is that Michelle was VERY VERY BUSY and DOING THREE PEOPLES JOBS and she had so many plans to ERECT HER BIG SCREEN - it was so big it needed 37 PAGES and £2000 for erections.

So the fact Marks treasured partner organisations wouldn’t know BFF from Adam is neither here nor there.

YouCantProveIt · 13/11/2025 18:55

BendoftheBeginning · 13/11/2025 16:09

It’s pretty striking,@MarieDeGournay - I wonder what MD’s barrister is thinking, watching this display.

He thinking what a bloody shower of arty farty wans I got here. And I’m not getting the JK big bucks off these wans. Oh well. It’ll be over in a week.

And all that faffing around this morning with photocopying multiple copies of Michelle’s wad of pish. At least I have an erection plan if ever I find £2000 to erect the big big expensive screen. Maybe for my big birthday.

YouCantProveIt · 13/11/2025 18:58

murasaki · 13/11/2025 16:13

For somebody who works in the arts not to have heard of wrongthink is mind boggling.

Or utter lies.

She has been watching movies for 30 years. So many films, so many screenings, so many busy busy times. What you fail to understand is Michelle is single handing protecting both the arts and standing by her trans. She has no time for literature. If only it had been made into a movie???

Domesticatednottamed · 13/11/2025 19:08

YouCantProveIt · 13/11/2025 18:58

She has been watching movies for 30 years. So many films, so many screenings, so many busy busy times. What you fail to understand is Michelle is single handing protecting both the arts and standing by her trans. She has no time for literature. If only it had been made into a movie???

She should try going freelance.
She'd to get up earlier to read all 37 pages and work out to erect her bigly screen in her own time.
That'd learn her.

Mmmnotsure · 13/11/2025 19:27

MarieDeGournay · 13/11/2025 17:27

I like the idea of judges going easy on ordinary folk, especially in a courtroom - I've given evidence twice and been on a jury twice, so I know it is daunting - especially giving evidence with the accused fixing you with an unsettling stare..

MD isn't ordinary folk, though, and judging from the transcripts, she isn't scared of anything or anyone, so her flippancy and out-of-place words like 'dead-on' aren't coming from a place of fear or nervousness.
She reads as someone sure of herself to the point of cockiness, and very very certain that she is on the Right Side of History, regardless of what any judge or tribunal or fancy barrister thinks.
I may be wrong of course.

As you say, Largofesse, the judge may have come to a similar conclusion..

Her “dead on” comment reminds me of Upton when the judge said he needed a bit of time to finish writing and Upton casually said, “go for it“. Similar flippant on-the-right-side-of-history self confidence.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 13/11/2025 20:02

YouCantProveIt · 13/11/2025 14:06

Guilty by association versus dirty by association - so our peace loving femininist Mark - explain that fudge

Total word waffle that HE thinks makes him look reasonable. Ridiculous man.

weegielass · 13/11/2025 20:31

is there any indication ever given in advance of outcomes, eg I know the legal teams might get a heads up, but do the public ever get told, outcome next week etc?

ickky · 13/11/2025 20:34

@YouCantProveIt What you fail to understand is Michelle is single handing protecting both the arts and standing by her trans

I sung that last bit to the tune of Tammy Wynette's classic. 😂

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