Non binary Teacher year 4

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Okay not sure if it's me being sensitive...
My daughter is in year 4 juniors and she has a new teacher who identifies as Non binary and has made the class aware of this. She likes this teacher which is great. However, my DD now has questions that to be honest I don't want to answer.
One being do they( daughters words)have what I have or my brother has because they look like a girl but aren't.

Does that mean that some girls aren't girls...

How would you answer these questions, I'm trying to be sensitive and not offensive but I'm finding difficult to not be brutally honest in what I think.

This teacher is imparting the idea we don't have sexed bodies. This is a political idea and has no place in teaching. It's especially dangerous to impart such ideas to young children of 8 and 9.

The teacher isn't covered here under equality law and is breaking the law. The school should investigate.

I'd be looking to get my child moved ASAP.

What defines a non binary person?

Same. Religion is a good analogy

The dc should not be asked to use they or know about the idea of NB as it imposes the ideology over facts and reinforces girl means this and boy that

Mx Schnitzel. Is that one of those things that’s only available in German McDonald’s?

But they should be banned from teaching gender ideology to children. And demanding to be called “they” is attempting to teach gender ideology to children.

this.

It's forcing children to be compliant to an ideology.

Yes it's a political idea.

It's not a belief; that's quite at odds with religion. It's about politically dismantling the very idea that you're male or female, which has legal implications.

Or it's just a trend. But you're enforcing that trend on others.

I disagree about withdrawal; I don't think anyone needs to go apeshit.

I think the school needs to be asked some clear open ended questions as illustrated in this thread.

This thread is also a very good example to feed into the trans guidelines consultation.

@saraclara They should not be banned from teaching but they should not teach gender ideology, tell the children they are not male or female or demand ridiculous pronouns

A boy my 9 yo DD knew last year when he was in Y6 is now at high school and his mum is calling him they.
DD thinks this is bananas and says "why does Jack think he's not a boy or a girl, everyone's a boy or a girl". Your DD is old enough to understand a) this teacher's sex and b) this teacher's delusions.
Maybe have a word with the HT, explain this is your family belief and that your DD will be told to respect the teacher in other respects but just like praying in the classroom, she knows this is a manifestation of a belief you as a family don't share.

Some down-to-earth parents are going to answer their children's queries with something like: "Your teacher is a pathetic idiot."

I would want to withdraw. Children have to understand what the truth is and that they have a sex. This is fundamental to protecting them against child sexual abuse. For me this is red line stuff. Sorry but I'd be very very unhappy with this.

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I'm a teacher. If I felt that I was non-binary, id keep that to myself. Why on earth would I discuss that with my year 4 class?

It's so difficult isn't it, because we have religion and ideology in schools, plus teachers of all denominations should be able to teach. Gender ideology is a neo-religion (although akin to flat earth for me).

My child comes back from school and asks me questions about God. I could quash this and go all Richard Dawkins but I don't. Because I'm an agnostic and I don't think it'll have a negative affect on my child.

However, with gender ideology I'd feel free to go full atheist because I think it's akin to flat earth. I'd take them on a tour of 70s/80s pop, I'd show gender non conforming men and women, I'd say how they were called tomboys, punks, goths, ladettes etc etc.

Because NB is making the statement you are neither make or female and that is batshit. I'd definitely talk to the head.

Quite

Quite in response to this post.

I would also like to see actual statistics.

the original “data” on the suicidal risk of trans people is not based on numbers. It comes from a survey sent out - by stonewall I think- to people who had contacted them over their gender identity issues.

one of the questions asked if they had ever felt suicidal or like harming themselves. Many answered yes. That was then translated into “trans people have an incredibly high suicide rate”

If anyone could provide the actual numbers of trans people who have died by suicide I would be very interested.

I suspect it’s the same as the uproar when trans women weren’t included on the annual list of murdered women, despite everyone knowing that they were the most vulnerable group and most likely to be victims of violence. Turns out that there were no trans women included because no trans women were murdered that year. Just hundreds of women.

That's a false equivalence.

All the non binary teacher has done is introduce herself as non-binary. There is no evidence that she is actively promoting anything, or bringing her belief into the classroom, any more than a Muslim teacher who wears a headscarf is bringing her religion into the classroom. Or are you going to say that a Muslim teacher shouldn't wear the hair covering?

Also where do you get that this teacher is proselytising?

Just checking - did the schools tell parents that the teacher would be having discussions about non binary with the children? Because if I've understood your post correctly, that there is the root of the problem.
That's the teacher imposing their personal identity problems on young children. That's the teacher and school ignoring the requirement to be politically impartial and gaslighting children with a belief that upends facts, science and the national curriculum.
One of the Teachers' standards about personal / professional conduct includes:
"ensuring that personal beliefs are not expressed in ways which exploit pupils’ vulnerability ....."

This teacher is using children for the pursuit of an ideological belief with no foundation in the law and it's wrong.

Because NB is making the statement you are neither make or female and that is batshit. I'd definitely talk to the head.

It's also at odds with the curriculum.

I'd be asking a number of hard questions about how that's going to be taught.

The guidance out for consultation makes it clear that gender identity is not 'a thing' nor protected under the EA.

Unfortunately at the moment the pshe/ RSE curriculum is at odds with this.

I personally don't think analogies with religion work in this context.

It's about science and law; how will this teacher's political statement impact how they teach the curriculum in terms of sex and gender and how they work within safeguarding laws.

And are they aware of the longer term physical consequences of telling young girls they don't have to be women.

It’s in the op

she has a new teacher who identifies as Non binary and has made the class aware of this

Fine if no mention of the ideology or request for pronouns

The teacher will need to give the dc a fact based way to speak though which should include he or she

I think the equivalence with a headscarf is false.

requiring someone to use pronouns is more equivalent by insisting that all pupils say PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) and telling children not to bring their water bottles into the classroom at Ramadan, even if it is mid summer and mad hot.

I would actually be fairly supportive of both a polite address and also respecting faith and making it easier for someone who is fasting. I am not happy with making it a requirement with consequences for lack of compliance.

Absolutely agree with this.