Non binary Teacher year 4

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Okay not sure if it's me being sensitive...
My daughter is in year 4 juniors and she has a new teacher who identifies as Non binary and has made the class aware of this. She likes this teacher which is great. However, my DD now has questions that to be honest I don't want to answer.
One being do they( daughters words)have what I have or my brother has because they look like a girl but aren't.

Does that mean that some girls aren't girls...

How would you answer these questions, I'm trying to be sensitive and not offensive but I'm finding difficult to not be brutally honest in what I think.

Gender clinics and changing sex have nothing to do with it, lol.

Ah it's the intersex gotcha. It just took longer to get there than normal.

@Peasandsweetcorns I'm imagining your a city kid who has never been on a farm.

When a farmer has a cow, or sheep, or dog, or any other mammal born on the farm, they will check to see if it is male or female.

end of story.

There aren't bulls that are accidentally born in cows bodies. There are not cows that have special 'bull esences'.

it',s really simple, and how every single mammal has reproduced on this planet for millennia. Male and female.

I’d love to know the % of trans and NB people that have DSDs. Willing to bet that it’s no higher than the % in the general population (in fact I think someone posted about that earlier).

So you think that the right response to your child asking you about their non-binary teacher is to start giving them some quite complex medical detail about specific conditions affecting the reproductive system?

get a flock of chickens and a cockerels. It is simply their biology that differentiate them. It is not how they feel. It's really not a difficult thing.

Keeping it a secret from them and lying to them is wrong, in my opinion.

That's your opinion. But it's not what happens.

I see where this is going; seen it before.

It's nothing to do with Mx whoever has rocked up to teach y4 and thinks they're cool and breaking a gender binary when they're actually just creating a deeper one.

@Peasandsweetcorns apologies for saying you are talking shite, that's a bit unfair and of me. What you are doing is spouting you own set of bizarre beliefs as if they are fact. When they are quite simply bonkers beliefs. Which are your right to hold but, but reality and the world, and sexual dimorphism and reproduction will carry on, regardless of your beliefs

Farms have nothing to do with it either.

I just think children shouldn’t be medicalised without their consent, to force them into a societal male or female box. And you can’t protect them without more openness in schools.

It has nothing to do with trans people, gender clinics, or changing sex.

I don’t know why you all keep trying to talk about trans people.

I’ll leave you all to it. I’ll keep thinking children shouldn’t be unnecessarily medicalised.

I definitely agree with you on that point.

Pardon me, but could you please point out where (on this thread) that posters have said that children should be unnecessarily medicalised?

What are you talking about @Peasandsweetcorns ? Who is talking about children being medicalised? The rest of us are reading / commenting on a thread about a non binary teacher. I’m so confused

This is indoctrination. Nothing else. All kids in that class will grow up thinking this is completely normal and there is nothing wrong with it.

And to those saying well, because there isn't, it's the same as telling kids God is real. No difference. It is nothing but an ideological belief that someone can be anything other than man/woman and that other pronouns must be used.

I think Peas has confused themself, and is trying to back out by muddying the waters.

Neither do DSDs when it comes to non-binary. So why are you bringing DSDs into it? What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not sure that will cut it because it leaves people hearing that there is such a thing as being a woman other than having a woman's body. I'd be more honest and say that I think the teacher has very old fashioned views about what it means to be a man or a woman and we need to be polite to people even when we know they're wrong. I'd reinforce that there is no such thing as 'acting like a woman' or 'thinking like a woman' and that anyone who says things like that is not thinking things through enough.

I'm with your DH.

I'd be telling my child that non binary is made up nonsense. You are either male or female.

They should be respectful to their teacher but not ever feel they have to lie.

I'd then be finding out from the HT what children will be being taught and be very clear that no gender ideology should be taught.

If I didn't feel reassured I'd remove them from the school.

I'd have absolutely zero truck with pandering to this ideology to my child.

Why are parents so scared about being honest with their children? Your job as a parent is to steer them towards what you believe to be good and true not to leave them struggling to understand the world or accepting dangerous nonsense you believe to be bad and deceitful.

I see Peas is derailing making incoherent points about the vanishingly small number of children born with DSDs as there are no good arguments to defend these young children being gaslit about "non binary" by this adult.

Children are not in schools for confused adults to dump their incoherent beliefs on them about not being one of the two sexes.

Essences? Wtf? I am SO TIRED of this shit.

Thanks, @literalviolence , that's a really useful response to have on hand.
I've been thinking about this thread overnight, and the analogies with religion.
I think it's not just equivalent to a teacher sharing their religious identity with students. It's more like a muslim teacher (who has completed his pilgrimage to Mecca) asking his students to call him "Hajji Khan" instead of "Mr Khan" or "Sir."
I'm not sure how I'd respond to that. I could imagine a situation where the majority of the class were from a muslim community where this was the custom, or the teacher was a very enthusiastic kind of person who's just got a bit over-excited about something significant to him and doesn't actually bat an eyelid when the kids forget the "Hajji" honorific.
But if I believed my child was anxious about referring to the teacher incorrectly I'd talk to the school, and if they wouldn't intervene (to make it clear to students they can refer to their teacher as "Mr Khan" or "Sir" if that feels more natural to them) then I'd think about finding a different class for my child to attend.
Anxiety really is the enemy of learning. If a child's mental energy is going into thinking "Don't say Mr or Sir! Don't say Mr or Sir!" while she or he is having lessons, then material is being missed.

Also want to add I've never known a Muslim person to make this kind of imposition on others, just the analogy helped me in my own thinking.

DNA is shared. DNA is not just a label; it has consequence and significance.

Nobody here is advocating people should conform to anything that doesn't fit them; quite the contrary. But you cannot change your DNA/your sex. It is recorded in every cell of your body and it has its own 'objectives'

You'll find most people here are not gender conforming at all......have lived their lives rejecting gender conformity, because 'gender' is purely social and societal in construction. I've had short hair since childhood, was sporty, and now contribute to an architecture and construction forum which is populated almost entirely by men, as just a few examples.

How did you get on op?

Hello i would like to know what school your daughter goes to as my sons school has the same situation in year 4 , the children are very confused and asking questions and are getting in trouble for doing so