Communication on new building - room available for 'chest feeding'

[Sizzlysausage]

I got an email today about our new building (I work at a university). This explained space had been put aside in the new building for 'breast and chest feeding.' I find this so ridiculous I just need somewhere to vent (don't dare do so to any of my colleagues)!

This is about trans men.

Just because you don't understand or like it, doesn't mean it's not the preferred term for most trans men. You really don't need me to point you at articles written by trans men - you can do that yourself. And the term breastfeeding is already included.

But way to go to assume it is about transgender people. Again.

Just to clarify, the reason women find it offensive have nothing to do with transgender people. So including chestfeeding because some imaginary transman might find breastfeeding offensive means pissing women off who find chestfeeding offensive for a reason that has nothing to do with transmen or transwomen.

Still ignoring the reason why women find the term chestfeeding offensive as well as factually incorrect.

it is very clear which side you are on, Dadjoke, and as Datun said, it is not the side of women.

Just because you don't understand or like it, doesn't mean it's not the preferred term for most trans men. You really don't need me to point you at articles written by trans men - you can do that yourself. And the term breastfeeding is already included.

TRA translator:

You don't understand it, you are so dumb
You need to educate yourself, you are so dumb
You are whiny and hysterical and should just shut up

Right up there with 'if only you knew these nice trans people'

You're a poster calling yourself 'DadJoke', on the 'Feminism and Women's Rights' section of a website called 'Mumsnet', and you are calling women ignorant on the subject of breastfeeding.

Unbelievable. Away and talk to Mika.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12258633/Trans-activist-posts-image-breastfeeding-child.html

Chest feeding is a thing in religion. Lots of symbolism about the pelican ripping open her chest to feed her hungry chicks blood. Ultimate sacrifice of offering your flesh. There are lots of statues and crests with the chest feeder.

Both human males and human females have breasts. It’s never chest feeding when you are producing milk to feed young.

Sing it, Betty.

I think the Luggage is perfectly happy feeding in public!

@Sizzlysausage i haven’t RTFT but please can I give you my rant.

Breast and breastfeeding are both gender neutral words. All human beings are born with breast tissue and nipples and the potential to lactate.
All human beings can and do get breast cancer, and some sadly die. - yes Men die of breast cancer..

Why is using a gender neutral word that accurately describes the act of lactation not considered appropriate?

Why is using a gender neutral word that accurately describes the act of lactation not considered appropriate?

Maybe because for some, overturning all the norms that most Western cultures have adhered to for a century or so, like the privacy of women's spaces, or the fact that overt sexuality should not be rammed down the throats of primary-school aged kids, is the whole objective.

non-transgender woman? You mean woman? Right?
Do you ever get dizzy from twisting in circles so fast?

Actual genius! 👏😂

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Your argument is that accomodating trans men's preferred terminology doesn't benefit women?

Wrong straightaway, I can't even be arsed to read the rest.

As I said, I don't believe it is women's preferred terminology, it's men's.

As an exclusively male serving ideology, the whole point is to separate the concept of women from their anatomical roles and language.

Using women who identify as men is just another way you're, you know, using women.

But, it's really quite useful for you to show everybody quite how determined you are. Post after post, in fact. All trying to shame feminists for not taking into account other women.

Do you really imagine that everyone believes that you're suddenly interested in the plight of women?

Thorax: The area of the body that is located between the abdomen and the neck. Within the thorax are the lungs, the heart, and the first section of the aorta. Also known as chest.

Sorry but this also excludes the adult babies surely?

Oh do bugger off.

I'm not desperate to be outraged. I'd much rather not be. But this utter wankery that involves reconstructing the English language to pander to a tiny minority of people who want us all to run around after them sends my blood pressure through the fucking roof.

Women fought hard to get breastfeeding socially accepted (I was one of them, told to go and feed my firstborn in the fucking bogs). And that is what it is. Breastfeeding.

I realise that certain minorities might be invisible or imaginary to you, but they exist and should be included. Your wish to exclude trans men has to be balanced against their desire to be included. You have been included. They should be, too.

Sorry by calling me ignorant are you now saying you didn't say this that I've copied and pasted from your first post?

So, a breast feeding room. To be inclusive to trans men, it also refers to chest feeding. It has nothing to do with trans women.

You've said here that a breastfeeding room has nothing to do with transwomen. I corrected you.

And are you now saying transwomen don't push for equality for transmen? If they're not using the vocabulary they are pushing for, I mean? If they actually said that, isn't that quite transphobic and uninclusive of them by their own standards?

Also, do you speak for all of them by consensus or were you elected spokesperson for a specific sect of trans people? Just making sure I get my facts right.

There's an old Christian parable around the idea of a dove or some other bird pecking at its own chest to feed its chicks with blood. I can't help thinking of that when I see the term 'chest feeding.'

But isn't it interesting how some groups are allowed to redefine language which triggers them, even when the changes end up giving us terms which are incorrect or almost like Victorian euphemisms? Other groups don't have that same power.

For instance, PTSD sufferers are not allowed to rename words which trigger them everywhere where they might go. You could argue that the group is tiny, but then is the group which insists on terms such as 'top surgery' or 'chestfeeding.'

I believe this is because the group negatively affected here consists of women.

Well there be one of these in there?

And respect to other posters for not losing their shit with a wandering bloke....

@Nellodee Damnit I failed my perception roll. 🤣

What percentage of female people who need to feed their babies identify as trans men or as nonbinary? Given that those who have had 'top surgery' can't breastfeed, the actual percentage must be very small indeed, much smaller than the percentage identifying into those categories.

How does including a term which trans men prefer "insult you?"

How does including a term which women prefer "insult trans men?"

As ever, it is only one group that are expected to bend over backwards to be inclusive.