Liv Hewson, non binary actor with mastectomy in Teen Vogue

[DerekFaker]

Mother of God make this stop!!!

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/liv-hewson-profile-nonbinary

Terrifying, more so that this is in a publication aimed at a “teen” readership. No wonder there’s a mental health crisis amongst young people.

And there is also the question of whether it is ethical for a surgeon to perform such surgeries.

Good question

Who are you referring to?

i have only heard voices in unison feeling empathy for this girl’s pain and sorrow that society, and a surgeon, saw fit to tell her that the solution to this pain was to chop a part of herself off. I haven’t seen anyone point a finger at anyone. Other than maybe the surgeon who presumably parted her from her cash.

I think the misogyny accusation that she couldn’t have known her own mind is below the belt as in my experience most people with questions about gender reassignment (i’m not going to use the expression TERF as I don’t identify as a TERF but do have huge concerns). I also think boys shouldn’t be chopping off their willies either!

It’s not that man or woman is better or worse, it’s that we get one body and surely it’s better to live with it, wear what you want, sleep with who you want, use whatever pronouns but please don’t chop bits off. It’s too sad.

I've been thinking about the recent case where 3 people were prosecuted for GBH after mutilating a consenting adult. Why is "top surgery" (what sanitizing terminology!), or "bottom surgery" any different? Because it was done by a doctor?

https://news.sky.com/story/two-men-jailed-over-disgusting-extreme-body-modifications-for-eunuch-maker-website-13048872

That is such an irresponsible article in a magazine aimed at teens.

Really really appalling

My cat sitter told me before Christmas I could "probably tell" he was a they because they wore jeans with small flowers embroidered on.
It's not a high bar for men is it.

Cowl-necked sweater
Culottes

The changes implemented by two nonbinary men I know.
Admittedly I would consider wearing either as a form of self harm, but not quite the same sort.

She’ll likely regret those choices when she’s actually grown up

28 is a grown adult.

Yes, when she’s actually GROWN UP mentally, and pulled her head out of her self-obsessed arse

If someone without medical qualifications was performing backroom tonsillectomies in unsanitary conditions without proper equipment or drugs, would you find it confusing that people condemned that but still thought it was ok for doctors to perform tonsillectomies?

Thank fuck I was getting my feminism from MN and not tumblr at 16 is all I’m saying.

@PrawnLiberationFront I know that when a young friend of mine (about 20 years younger) on the same uni course as me was talking about having a breast enlargement, I was horrified and said so quite forcefully. She did seem to think again, and hadn't had one in the next 3 years, and I'm glad.

I find the 'ooh brilliant' tone when stupid articles fawn over surgery like this is just horrible. Don't you? I'm old enough to remember a)women's magazines being a thing and b) the transition from the time when plastic surgeons weren't allowed to advertise, and the time when their adverts filled the back pages of every one, and the corresponding increase in the number of 'my boob job' articles. Surgery like this is a commercial and social contagion

Are you honestly arguing for the removal of healthy penises and legs being A-Okay if performed by doctors? Did you know one of these blokes is a qualified nurse - does that make it okay?

If there is a disgust reaction to Hewson’s body there is probably some sort of evolutionary reason for that.

Disgust is a protective mechanism, it protects us from dangerous pathogens.

https://kevinbinz.com/2019/01/03/evolution-of-disgust/

I don’t think I personally feel disgust at amputation scars, I’ve had genetic counselling for breast cancer gene mutations, I’ve looked at photos of surgical outcomes, discussed implants, pedicle flaps and fat transfer and I know that if I ever have to have a mastectomy I will ask for ‘flat closure’ rather than reconstruction.

What I feel about young women and young men sacrificing their healthy body parts to the gods of gender is more horror than disgust, horror followed by sadness.
Oh, and anger for the ghoulish surgeons making a fortune off of unhappiness and body-hatred.

I also think how impractical it must be, to have a woman-shaped body but no breasts (and no interest in breast forms). You’d have to live in lycra, or learn to sew. You’d never be able to wear a dress without retailoring it. I’d make a quip about that’s how Hewson came to be on the red carpet topless, but I suspect the real reason is because it signals one’s commitment to the other genderbelievers, which really is sad.

I would think that most people would find doctors removing healthy tonsils that were not causing any medical issue to be problematic.

If the person was having healthy tonsils removed and then showing their surgical scars on the red carpet or having them photographed for Teen Vogue then damn straight I would think it problematic,

I’d want to know why the fuck a DOCTOR was performing an unnecessary surgery (first do no harm?) and what had happened to the person that made them think unnecessary tonsillectomy would improve their lives.

Finally, I’d wonder if the media outlets printing stories about that unnecessary surgery were staffed by people who were also getting unnecessary surgery or if they got some sort of financial kick back from the money-making surgeries.

Do fashion magazines still have loads of ads for cosmetic surgery in the back pages?

I know that when a young friend of mine (about 20 years younger) on the same uni course as me was talking about having a breast enlargement, I was horrified and said so quite forcefully. She did seem to think again, and hadn't had one in the next 3 years, and I'm glad
What on earth has it got to do with you though?
Why do you feel the need to stick your nose in to the extent you told her you were horrified, and also with you being glad she didn't?!
So what if she wanted a breast enlargement? It's her body.
It's not something I'd ever want, but know not everyone's me. It's not all about me and my wants (over somebody else's body at that. Ew at thinking you should get a say how they should look.)
I hope she just rolled her eyes at you.

i often see the “I had a breast reduction, ask me anything” post going around on Mumsnet and there never seems to be a negative reaction to it. Which is great! But those women won’t be able to breastfeed either, because they’ve also had their nipples removed and repositioned. So I don’t think we can foreground that as a concern with trans/non-binary people if we don’t do it there.

Is this a genuine article or paid/sponsored editorial?
Shame on whoever commissioned this piece and whoever gave or received payment for it.
It doesn't bear thinking about the damage it could do.

I often see the “I had a breast reduction, ask me anything” post going around on Mumsnet and there never seems to be a negative reaction to it. Which is great! But those women won’t be able to breastfeed either, because they’ve also had their nipples removed and repositioned. So I don’t think we can foreground that as a concern with trans/non-binary people if we don’t do it there

Yeah, that's a good point and also not everyone wants to breastfeed anyway and that's OK too.

She was talking about it in a conversation. Instead of not saying anything, I asked why she was doing it. I'm bloody glad I did too.

The constant showcasing of her chest proves this is nothing more than rampant attention seeking. Goes for most of them.

As far as that goes, I don't think anyone has surgery purely for attention.