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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour candidate suspended for 'transphobia'

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Imnobody4 · 13/01/2024 16:02

Labour’s London region has suspended the party’s candidate for a closely-contested council by-election in Hackney following allegations of “transphobia“.
Party members were told by email early this morning by Hackney’s borough organiser that “all planned campaign sessions” in the Cazenove ward had been cancelled, including those that were to have taken place today.
A Labour source has confirmed that the candidate, Laura Pascal (front right in photo), has been “administratively suspended”, which means a complaint has been made about her by another party member and a decision taken to investigate it.
The timing of the suspension means there is not enough time to nominate a different candidate in time for the by-election, which will be held next Thursday. This means that if Pascal wins, she will sit as an independent councillor. The source confirmed that Labour will do no further campaigning for her.

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-labour-cazenove-candidate-for-council-by-election-suspended/

About time KS got a grip.

https://twitter.com/duffster84/status/1745383937118003390

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SammyScrounge · 14/01/2024 00:32

Froodwithatowel · 13/01/2024 16:24

How long is KS going to look in the other direction and whistle?

Trans people and allies call the shots with Labour. Starmer is an idiot to allow this treatment of personnel. He thinks it will win him votes and doesn't consider the number of votes it loses him. How can he possibly be our next PM?

IwantToRetire · 14/01/2024 00:35

Have only just seen this thread, and apart from the sheer stupidity of the accusations, it is even more dispiriting because of the reason there is a by election.

There was a thread about this and will try and find it but to summarise the former Mayor of Hackney was forced to resign because he tried to cover up the criminal accusation of child pornograpy of another Hackney councillor who just happened to be a friend.

During which time the ward of the accused councillor had the rights to use the Labour Party network for advertising meeting etc.. withdrawn.

So eventually Mayor resigned, new Mayor elected (Labour of course) so the vacancy is because the new mayor cant be mayor and a councillor.

Hackney is by a vast majority Labour, previously old school Labour but now invaded by well heeled incomers who have made Hackney a really expensive place to live, and very very woke. Gentrified and almost worse advertised to tourists as a really cutting edge place to visit. Just south of Hackney by a main road is a very famous flower market, where the stall holders say that despite huge crowds visiting it just people coming to take selfies and rarelly buying anything.

And needless to say in terms of actual solid council work Labour has vamped up woke agenda items, but at the same time has the second worse housing record in London. Its flats regulary appear on local London news for the lack of repairs, damp, etc..

LoobiJee · 14/01/2024 08:17

FriendOfTimo · 13/01/2024 23:49

I expect she’ll be cleared eventually (see Rosie Duffield’s recent suspension) it’s just difficult timing with the election so close and the party taking so bloody long to deal with complaints (even when they are preposterous).

Laura is clearly well-liked in her local party so the lack of party support on election day (Get The Vote Out, lifts to the polling station for people with mobility issues etc) is a massive bummer. Perhaps a few party friends will still do leaflet drops for her (but that’s probably a potential party suspension offence too). Might be some GC former members locally who could step up? Loads of women
have left my branch/CLP due to the party’s disregard for women’s
rights.

if she stands as a (temporary) independent and wins that will at least be a metaphorical poke in the eye for the TRAs who reported her, and as it’s too late to get a new Labour candidate Laura won’t fall foul of the not running against/not campaigning against an official Labour candidate.

The article in the OP says that it was Regional Labour that stepped in and suspended her, and wrote to the local branch / membership to say there would be no campaigning.

Bosky · 14/01/2024 08:30

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

"Hackeny (sic) has a large black community, many of whom rightfully find the linking of blackface/womanface offensive."

Do they?

This isn't the same as citing a single thread on Black Mumsnetters with some deleted posts as evidence of offence being taken.

Internet search results (DuckDuckGo) for "blackface womanface comparison offensive" turn up:

If those results are representative then concerns about the comparison seem to be minimal and mainly confined to Mumsnet.

Maybe most black people are not aware of the comparison being made? Or are aware but think it unremarkable?

It would be genuinely interesting to know whether many in the black community in Hackney "find the linking of blackface/womanface offensive", specifically by Laura Pascal.

Nestofwalnuts · 14/01/2024 08:39

Froodwithatowel · 13/01/2024 16:26

Would she and Rosie consider starting a socialist party that does socialism and sanity rather than identifies as doing it?

Whole lot of voters with nowhere to put an x, who'd really like to.

this. Yes please. I long for a proper socialist party with no toadying, where critical thinking is encouraged and blind allegiance discouraged. Where women are respected and feminist beliefs taken as standard.

oviedo · 14/01/2024 09:03

God I hope that she wins as an independent candidate.
Where is Starmer ? Oh yes picking splinters out of his arse.

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:08

I'm afraid I don't believe he has any splinters. He is perfectly ok with all this, he is fine with the bullying of women, the totalinarianism, the Orwellian dystopia, he's all for it. He enables this constantly. He's just got enough sense to not actively get involved in the doing of it himself, and thereby leave some illusion of reasonable doubt about how much of a misogynist so and so he is until he's in power and no one can stop him for five years.

I'd truly prefer Boris. At least he's honest with you that he's a total wanker without a grain of ethics or capacity, and has no fucks to give. By their deeds shall ye know them.

HPFA · 14/01/2024 09:36

Whilst I get that very few people will have detailed knowledge of the Labour complaints process it's frustrating to see people on Twitter who should know better reinforcing the narrative.

Under the independent process mandated by the EHRC Keir Starmer CAN'T just personally intervene in disciplinary cases. If he did then the independent people who oversee the complaints process would reverse any decision he made on the grounds that the original complaint hadn't been properly investigated.

I know the GC movement seems to have convinced itself that Labours consistent two year 15-20 poll is going to mysteriously evaporate in the next six months but wouldn't it be more sensible to assume it won't? And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:39

If it was possible to influence that appalling mess from the inside, the many, many patient Labour faithful women would have managed it while the party was in opposition. God knows they have tried. They haven't managed it. That parrot is dead and rotting, it is an ex parrot.

Starmer permitted a female MP to be openly bullied in the HoC by one of his MPs and did fuck all. Rosie Duffield has suffered for years. He does fuck all. This is not just one isolated incident, this is a link in a very long and very grotty chain of incidents over years.

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:41

Btw don't run away with the idea that I'm talking down Labour because I want another party to win. I don't. There isn't one of them I want in power. I'm a floating voter with middle left political beliefs reaching utter bloody despair,

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 09:43

HPFA · 14/01/2024 09:36

Whilst I get that very few people will have detailed knowledge of the Labour complaints process it's frustrating to see people on Twitter who should know better reinforcing the narrative.

Under the independent process mandated by the EHRC Keir Starmer CAN'T just personally intervene in disciplinary cases. If he did then the independent people who oversee the complaints process would reverse any decision he made on the grounds that the original complaint hadn't been properly investigated.

I know the GC movement seems to have convinced itself that Labours consistent two year 15-20 poll is going to mysteriously evaporate in the next six months but wouldn't it be more sensible to assume it won't? And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?

This is all on Labour.

Not the actions of women who are fed up and or annoyed

Starmer has chosen the ‘no one is talking about it’ block head stance. That’s on him too.

Many have spoken up and fulfilled their part of doing what they could.

oviedo · 14/01/2024 09:45

@Froodwithatowel
Agreed

Floisme · 14/01/2024 10:55

Let's not forget that Starmer still won't be seen talking with the Labour Women's Declaration who have shown the patience of Griselda in their efforts to influence from the inside

HPFA · 14/01/2024 11:54

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 09:43

This is all on Labour.

Not the actions of women who are fed up and or annoyed

Starmer has chosen the ‘no one is talking about it’ block head stance. That’s on him too.

Many have spoken up and fulfilled their part of doing what they could.

This isn't about whether you personally agree with Labour or not.

It's about future influence on what is likely to be our next government.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 11:57

HPFA · 14/01/2024 11:54

This isn't about whether you personally agree with Labour or not.

It's about future influence on what is likely to be our next government.

Go ahead then.

I’ve lobbied where I can, and feel I’ve fulfilled what I can do. I won’t vote Labour so their future actions are not down to me.

Feel free to influence though. What are you doing?

Floisme · 14/01/2024 11:57

And yet there is a group who are trying to work on the inside to influence the party, and Starmer won't even meet with them in public. That tells me a lot.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 12:00

Floisme · 14/01/2024 11:57

And yet there is a group who are trying to work on the inside to influence the party, and Starmer won't even meet with them in public. That tells me a lot.

It seems the blame is on those who are trying rather than those who won’t meet

Same old

DewHopper · 14/01/2024 12:02

The article quotes the Tweet. She doesn’t say anything about trans people. Or use the word woman. She just talks about biological sex

This. i actually just had a little cry about this. Women are not allowed to say that biological sex is real in 2024? I don't know where we go from here but the Labour Party can absolutely fuck off.

DewHopper · 14/01/2024 12:10

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:08

I'm afraid I don't believe he has any splinters. He is perfectly ok with all this, he is fine with the bullying of women, the totalinarianism, the Orwellian dystopia, he's all for it. He enables this constantly. He's just got enough sense to not actively get involved in the doing of it himself, and thereby leave some illusion of reasonable doubt about how much of a misogynist so and so he is until he's in power and no one can stop him for five years.

I'd truly prefer Boris. At least he's honest with you that he's a total wanker without a grain of ethics or capacity, and has no fucks to give. By their deeds shall ye know them.

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Couldn't agree more.

Kucinghitam · 14/01/2024 12:11

Bottom line: It's always women's (the old-fashioned cunty kind, obv) fault.

ArabellaScott · 14/01/2024 12:12

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:41

Btw don't run away with the idea that I'm talking down Labour because I want another party to win. I don't. There isn't one of them I want in power. I'm a floating voter with middle left political beliefs reaching utter bloody despair,

100% the same here. My vote is up for grabs. Anyone who protects women's rights gets it.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 12:14

Kucinghitam · 14/01/2024 12:11

Bottom line: It's always women's (the old-fashioned cunty kind, obv) fault.

You didn’t bow down and grovel to the incoming gov in the right way

Even though blocko male says no one is talking about it and doesn’t meet

Sod that. I agree with @Froodwithatowel and @DewHopper too

Floisme · 14/01/2024 12:27

I had better keep my thoughts to myself about the sheer brass neck of trying to put the blame for this shitshow on women who've been trying to work with Labour over this for years, all the while staying loyal. Let's just say that it's made me very, very cross.

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