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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 12:35

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RethinkingLife · 13/02/2024 18:03

What is interesting is that Rachel is seeking a recommendation that managers and employees in both SWE and WCC receive freedom of expression and protected belief training. The provider to be neutral I.e. not Stonewall et al.

Excellent recommendation. I would hope that she or someone comparable would have input into that. iirc, did the BBC replace Stonewall with Gendered Intelligence which is not really more than a cigarette paper's worth of difference? (Or is it Global Butterflies?)

Snowypeaks · 13/02/2024 18:07

Sisterpita
What is interesting is that Rachel is seeking a recommendation that managers and employees in both SWE and WCC receive freedom of expression and protected belief training. The provider to be neutral I.e. not Stonewall et al.

That would be great. Is the ET likely to oblige, do you know? Is this sort of recommendation often requested?
If Judge Nicolle and the panel connect the request to the New European article, they may see how necessary it is.

Signalbox · 13/02/2024 18:27

I wonder if this is the tweet in question. RMW completely downplaying the significance of a case where a regulator has been found to have seriously discriminated against one of their registrants which resulted in her also being discriminated against and sanctioned by her employer.

Rachel Meade - it's a win!
IcakethereforeIam · 13/02/2024 18:39

It'd be fairly seismic if it weren't for the double standards, if people proselytising the GI doctrine were subject to the same scrutiny and penalties.

Signalbox · 13/02/2024 18:44

Counsel for the respondents struggling to get the pronouns right. 😲

Rachel Meade - it's a win!
Froodwithatowel · 13/02/2024 18:46

I quite enjoyed the theatre of the most recent case where the witness snarled at anyone who used correct sex pronouns, even by accident, but repeatedly deadnamed a colleague all through her evidence.

It isn't about getting it right, no one can get it right. It's about a vehicle for brow beating everyone else.

Sisterpita · 13/02/2024 18:58

Snowypeaks · 13/02/2024 18:07

Sisterpita
What is interesting is that Rachel is seeking a recommendation that managers and employees in both SWE and WCC receive freedom of expression and protected belief training. The provider to be neutral I.e. not Stonewall et al.

That would be great. Is the ET likely to oblige, do you know? Is this sort of recommendation often requested?
If Judge Nicolle and the panel connect the request to the New European article, they may see how necessary it is.

Given NCs pointing out SWE did not put up a witness for the remedy hearing, that there is potentially evidence that SWE has not accepted the ruling e.g. the article and RMWs tweet (RMW was the barrister for SWE until quite close to the ET) I think there is a good chance it may a recommendation in the remedy.

I think it is highly likely a settlement couldn’t be reached is because of the soft remedies such as WCC apologising to RMs two managers, the training etc. rather than the ££.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2024 19:01

Yes the judge found she didn't bring her views to work. But that wasn't the attitude SWE and WCC took at first, was it?

nothingcomestonothing · 13/02/2024 19:04

Sisterpita · 13/02/2024 18:58

Given NCs pointing out SWE did not put up a witness for the remedy hearing, that there is potentially evidence that SWE has not accepted the ruling e.g. the article and RMWs tweet (RMW was the barrister for SWE until quite close to the ET) I think there is a good chance it may a recommendation in the remedy.

I think it is highly likely a settlement couldn’t be reached is because of the soft remedies such as WCC apologising to RMs two managers, the training etc. rather than the ££.

I think this is right. SWE would far rather have the remedies imposed, that be seen to have given any quarter. Being seen as righteous (by certain groups) is more important than getting this finished, than putting right a wrong,than complying with the law, than anything.

TheFireflies · 13/02/2024 22:23

nothingcomestonothing · 13/02/2024 19:04

I think this is right. SWE would far rather have the remedies imposed, that be seen to have given any quarter. Being seen as righteous (by certain groups) is more important than getting this finished, than putting right a wrong,than complying with the law, than anything.

Right. I’m fucking disgusted that I have to be governed by these people.

FriendofJoanne · 07/03/2024 23:21

Does anyone know what the outcome of the remedies hearing was?

RethinkingLife · 08/03/2024 09:53

FriendofJoanne · 07/03/2024 23:21

Does anyone know what the outcome of the remedies hearing was?

Tribunal hasn't ruled after the most recent hearing, as ever, this takes a while.

FriendofJoanne · 09/03/2024 08:38

Thanks Rethinking

TheFireflies · 25/03/2024 19:05

mum2jakie · 25/03/2024 18:46

If any social workers want to share their views with Social Work England in light of their appalling treatment of Rachel Meades, they currently have a survey open. Link is at the bottom of this Community Care article:

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/03/25/social-work-england-launches-first-annual-survey-of-profession/

Thank you, I’ve completed it

SaffronSpice · 25/03/2024 19:30

mum2jakie · 25/03/2024 18:46

If any social workers want to share their views with Social Work England in light of their appalling treatment of Rachel Meades, they currently have a survey open. Link is at the bottom of this Community Care article:

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/03/25/social-work-england-launches-first-annual-survey-of-profession/

While the treatment of Rachel Meades has been appalling, I hate to say it but their attitude to her is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential harms. These are the people making judgements over families.

Signalbox · 26/03/2024 06:38

SaffronSpice · 25/03/2024 19:30

While the treatment of Rachel Meades has been appalling, I hate to say it but their attitude to her is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential harms. These are the people making judgements over families.

SWE won’t be doing that. They are the professional regulator.

SaffronSpice · 26/03/2024 07:29

Signalbox · 26/03/2024 06:38

SWE won’t be doing that. They are the professional regulator.

They were merely telling ALL social workers as part of their professional registration that they MUST discriminate against those with GC beliefs and that those beliefs are harmful, or be sacked. 🙄

Signalbox · 26/03/2024 07:47

SaffronSpice · 26/03/2024 07:29

They were merely telling ALL social workers as part of their professional registration that they MUST discriminate against those with GC beliefs and that those beliefs are harmful, or be sacked. 🙄

Yes. And clearly this will potentially lead to bad outcomes for families if SWs are unable to raise concerns without being investigated by the regulator. It really is an appalling state of affairs.

Froodwithatowel · 26/03/2024 08:20

It's something that this political movement appears to struggle to get its head around.

That forcing everyone to lie and pretend, even if you've terrorised them into obediently pretending through gritted teeth out of fear of you, will not make the nasty realities go away. Things will go hideously wrong to the point that many will cease to be able to pretend it away. And those people will not stay under your control for ever, and they will get steadily angrier and more resentful every day you do it to them.

Icanttellyouanything · 26/03/2024 08:33

mum2jakie · 25/03/2024 18:46

If any social workers want to share their views with Social Work England in light of their appalling treatment of Rachel Meades, they currently have a survey open. Link is at the bottom of this Community Care article:

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/03/25/social-work-england-launches-first-annual-survey-of-profession/

Typically of SWE, who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, they've made it an open survey. Anyone who follows the link can complete the survey. Anyone. It doesn't ask you to prove you're a social worker but it does allow you to comment on your level of confidence in them as a regulator.

mum2jakie · 26/03/2024 08:55

Icanttellyouanything · 26/03/2024 08:33

Typically of SWE, who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, they've made it an open survey. Anyone who follows the link can complete the survey. Anyone. It doesn't ask you to prove you're a social worker but it does allow you to comment on your level of confidence in them as a regulator.

Yes, I thought that! The alternative would mean that it couldn't be an anonymous survey though. I don't know if there would be a way for them to ask for confirmation of SWE registration without linking the results to individuals. Clearly SWE are very fond of self ID....

WestTwoWoman · 16/04/2024 01:41

Sorry to revive a dormant thread, but does anyone have any information on when the remedies judgment will be made available in the Rachel Meade case? It seems really overdue. In the light of the Case review’s findings, I’ve been thinking about how Meade’s request for the recommendations for training must seem worthwhile to a reasonable tribunal judge.

I don’t expect there’s been a deal hashed out behind the scenes, because surely Meade would have announced that, even if she was prevented from sharing detail. (Like Jo Phoenix - she didn’t share info about what her settlement was, just that she had reached a settlement with the OU.) But the Meade case has just gone quiet.

Sisterpita · 16/04/2024 06:28

@WestTwoWoman Given that we have had the remedy hearing I don’t think there can be a settlement.

I think the outcome is due fairly soon, like many cases, no one knows when until the panel are ready to publish. Normally the complainant (Rachel) and respondents get a heads up so they can read an embargoed copy before it is published.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2024 08:13

Hope this judgement comes soon. `it was such a shocking case.