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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 12:35

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2024 08:53

You are entitled to not be bullied or harassed for your beliefs and lifestyle if it is appropriate and within the boundaries of the situation you are in. Non participation and other beliefs to yours are not bullying or harassment. Failing to tolerate those with other beliefs and their boundaries and rights not to participate or enable you - and seeking to convert them, punish and coerce them into participation or get rid of them from your environment - is harassment.

Exactly.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2024 00:24

I came across this (my cookies must all be Tunnocks 😁)

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/01/17/why-social-worker-won-harassment-claims-against-council-and-regulator-relating-to-gender-critical-beliefs/

I didn't know the Tribunal had said this

it rejected the claim that the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts post had the effect of equating transgenderism with paedophilia. It concluded this constituted “a reasonable satire” and addressed a “legitimate safeguarding concern that some transwomen, retaining male bodies, could exploit their position to have access to young and vulnerable girls”.

Book with title employment tribunal on a table.

Why social worker won harassment claims against council and regulator over gender critical beliefs

By Tim Spencer-Lane In Rachel Meade v Westminster City Council and Social Work England (2200179/2022 and 2211483/2022) , a social worker won multiple claims for harassment, on account of beliefs protected in law, against her employer and the regulator....

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/01/17/why-social-worker-won-harassment-claims-against-council-and-regulator-relating-to-gender-critical-beliefs

GailBlancheViola · 12/02/2024 14:18

it rejected the claim that the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts post had the effect of equating transgenderism with paedophilia. It concluded this constituted “a reasonable satire” and addressed a “legitimate safeguarding concern that some transwomen, retaining male bodies, could exploit their position to have access to young and vulnerable girls”.

Wow.

Snowypeaks · 12/02/2024 14:37

Needmoresleep · 12/01/2024 12:24

What is extraordinary is that first Liz Truss and then Kemi have been very vocal about the importance of protecting women's rights, and their desire to see Stonewall influence reduced. Boris, after a couple of U turns confirmed his support, and Rishi has been clear about his belief in biological sex.

But people within the public sector don't seem to be listening. Some will be "Tories are evil bigots, so automatically wrong" but the extent to which clear Government signals are being ignored is extraordinary. This cannot be in the interest of either the current Government or the "Government in waiting".

There is an apparatus. There is a Chief Social Worker for Children and Families. I hope she has read Cass. She needs to start talking to the regulatory bodies and they need to clarify their guidance so it is in line with both the law and with Government policy.

Quite. It's as if Stonewall et al have formed an alternative government.

SinnerBoy · 12/02/2024 16:19

The tribunal commented:

Social worker’s views ‘could not be viewed as transphobic.

I find that to be highly significant. T'other can wail and pretend as much as they like that cling film, Smarties and deodorant are transphobic, but the legal profession disagrees and explained why and how.

Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 16:51

It appears that SWE have declined to put up a witness at the remedy hearing.

Vebrithien · 12/02/2024 17:06

Have send a few seed, it's a beautiful spring day here.

Rachel has to pay her legal bill at the end of this hearing (tomorrow?)
She might need a few more carrots.

SinnerBoy · 12/02/2024 17:14

They have almost certainly been told by their barristers that, having had their arse handed to them on a silver plate, soused in raspberry jus keeping schtumm is the best policy.

RethinkingLife · 12/02/2024 17:24

Vebrithien · 12/02/2024 17:06

Have send a few seed, it's a beautiful spring day here.

Rachel has to pay her legal bill at the end of this hearing (tomorrow?)
She might need a few more carrots.

Added marigolds to your carrots as they're a charming companion planting.

Stonewall et al have formed an alternative government.

The still accurate Yes Minister exchange except that it's gone a little further.

[Hacker is about to ask for advice from his predecessor, a member of the Opposition party]

James Hacker : The Opposition aren't the opposition.
Annie Hacker : No of course not, silly of me. They're just called the opposition.
James Hacker : They're only the opposition in exile. The Civil Service is the opposition in residence.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/02/2024 17:26

Will do a bit of gardening later

nothingcomestonothing · 12/02/2024 17:31

I've done a small bit of extra planting. Remembering to change the tip to the website to £0 - if they hadn't behaved so badly to Allison Bailey, they'd have had quite a few carrots from me what with one crowdfunder and another. Oh well never mind.

Madcats · 12/02/2024 17:43

It is worth reading through this afternoon's TT's.

NC gave the judge that New European(?) article that was published today (the barrister one) and observed that there was little/no sign of remorse/apology from SWE, or their former counsel ( did anybody say "bundle"?) so significant damages would be in order to give them a wake up call and to effect change:

NC Extraordinary for WCC to not attend todaty to explain a witness statement. Really shocking is SWEs failure to call any evidence, total silence and no comms with the C. The only comms re the liability judgment is on SWEs website to acknowledge judgement [reads]

NC No change on website since 9th January and said nothing further since. Takes me to New European article from this am. They are wholly unimpressed by tribunals judgement and feel they are right in this case. Their intention is to minimise impact of judgement and will continue

NC to silence SWs on this issue. They shld have sent SWEs CE CC today to explain the orgs position, and I cld have asked him about freedom of SWs ability to express these views in public, and vigourously engage in public debate. I ask u to infer that SWE wld have been unwilling

........ (jumping some tweets)

NC....... Which is why exemp damages is so important. This case needs to be seismic for SWE. If its not the work of tribunal is only half done. Something needs to be done to make it seismic for SWE. Needs to get to CEO, risk

NC c'tee and relevant minister. exempl damages are the words that'll have that effect. [Reads RW's tweet].

viques · 12/02/2024 18:30

Brilliant news. But when the sweet fuck are employers going to cotton on to the fact that legal rights trump hurty feelingz. Do HR departments not read the news? Isn’t there an HR Times that keeps them up to date?

How many other women are going to be put through the stress and trauma of a hearing, plus all the other stuff leading up to a hearing.

Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 18:35

I think the New European article has been taken down as the link on Twitter/x isn’t working. Reading the posts I think it may have misrepresented Professor Kathleen Stock.

Signalbox · 12/02/2024 18:36

Really strong submissions from NC. I hope the judge is persuaded. Can’t believe SWE didn’t turn up. They clearly think they can just continue on as before. Institutionally GCphobic is about right. All the regulators need a shock so hopefully the judge will see they need to make an example of SWE.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2024 18:39

Hope she gave the judge a printed copy rather than a link!

Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 18:40

viques · 12/02/2024 18:30

Brilliant news. But when the sweet fuck are employers going to cotton on to the fact that legal rights trump hurty feelingz. Do HR departments not read the news? Isn’t there an HR Times that keeps them up to date?

How many other women are going to be put through the stress and trauma of a hearing, plus all the other stuff leading up to a hearing.

Edited

There is People Management from CIPD https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1859129/does-gender-critical-university-professors-tribunal-victory-mean-employers
and People Today https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/open-university-gender-critical-belief-tribunal-case/#:~:text=Professor%20Jo%20Phoenix%2C%20a%20lesbian,belief%2Drelated%20discrimination%20and%20harassment.

I expect a lot of HR depts, particularly in the CS, will be reading the judgement and working out how to communicate to managers and staff the fact that GC beliefs are protected.

What does gender-critical university professor’s tribunal victory mean for employers?

People Management analyses the implications after further cases find in favour of women who believe sex is biological

https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1859129/does-gender-critical-university-professors-tribunal-victory-mean-employers

nothingcomestonothing · 12/02/2024 18:44

This org does have discrim views and SWE holds discrim views and committed serious acts of high handed oppressive discrimination

She has been harassed by SWE. It's not put anyone in discipl for this or put in place any training or taken any active steps to show it's learned anything from this

Mr Conway suggests SWE dont take the trib judgement seriously. It's vital the trib does make an order for damages as nothing less will attract their attention to the gravity of the sit and to put house in order

Yeah, what she said

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/02/2024 19:07

Tribunal Tweets makes shocking reading as Naomi Cunningham evidences the lack of understanding or contrition from Social Work England about the findings against them. It seems they didn't attend and I note that tweets from a certain barrister (if I've interpreted the initials correctly) were presented as evidence that SWE appear to be doubling down and ignoring the findings?

Snowypeaks · 12/02/2024 19:10

Bordering on contempt of court, if there is such a thing at an E.T.

Signalbox · 12/02/2024 19:51

Does anyone know what RW is supposed to have Tweeted?

Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 20:01

Denis Kavanagh dissects the article
https://x.com/jebadoo2/status/1757095208645251413?s=61&t=W8z-NdrPTYy21FuiQuezcw

This seems to use the initials. I think the original tweet, like the article, has disappeared. https://x.com/trevandvick/status/1757098110923194512?s=61&t=W8z-NdrPTYy21FuiQuezcw

https://x.com/jebadoo2/status/1757095208645251413?s=61&t=W8z-NdrPTYy21FuiQuezcw