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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS accepting non-binary sex status

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Yetmorebeanstocount · 07/01/2024 11:05

I've just filled out an online survey for the NHS (got a letter saying I was selected at random).
It asked whether I was male, female, or non-binary.
With hindsight I wish I had clicked non-binary to see if it would then ask what my sex actually was. Seeing as 'non-binary' is not a biological or medical category.

(The next question was whether my sex was same as gender, which is fair enough although it could be confusing for some people).

Did anyone else have this survey request? What happens if you click 'non-binary' - does it then ask for your sex?
Because I cannot see the point of a medical survey that collects numbers of non-binary people in the population without knowing if they are actually male or female.

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mumda · 08/01/2024 10:39

I don't want to read any more of that but it's compelling like the worst sort of horror story.
My minority trumps your minority:

“Trans staff are being badly treated at Newham Hospital. Much staff stand by religion as a good reason to be discriminating and it isn't right on any level.”

FannyCann · 08/01/2024 10:54

mumda · 08/01/2024 10:39

I don't want to read any more of that but it's compelling like the worst sort of horror story.
My minority trumps your minority:

“Trans staff are being badly treated at Newham Hospital. Much staff stand by religion as a good reason to be discriminating and it isn't right on any level.”

Indeed.

"Culture problems are difficult to describe but really do affect the enjoyment of work. It is just an environment in which you know your full self cannot be brought to work. At least not without issue.”

The NHS puts the D into diversity employing staff from a huge range of backgrounds, race and religion. I'm not suggesting anyone should be discriminated against but reifying one minority above all others is not helpful and arguably discriminatory in itself.

And please don't bring your whole self to work. We just want your work self.

Yetmorebeanstocount · 08/01/2024 18:43

literalviolence · 07/01/2024 22:24

I now refuse to put female if 'non binary' is an option because clearly the question has got nothing to do with biology/sex/facts and I am not colluding with a nonsense which allows people to pretend otherwise just to protect the egos of the privileged.

This sounds like a good idea - refuse to participate if non-binary is there as an option alongside male and female.
I guess in practice sometimes you would be forced to just pick one, with no ability to add comments. In that case would it be counter-productive to tick non-binary?

Imagine if they processed the results and found that 48% of the population was non-binary and only 4% was female .😄

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nothingcomestonothing · 08/01/2024 20:29

Even the best case scenario here is useless inaccurate data. I work for an NHS trust, which has two categories in patient demographics- 'legal sex' and 'sex assigned at birth'.

Leaving aside the ridiculousness of a hospital pretending that sex is assigned at birth, I know a patient aged under 18 who had their 'legal sex' marker changed to the sex they are not - just on their say so, they had no GRC, no form of ID showing that sex, had had no surgery or hormones (thankfully, IMO), purely social transition.

If an under 18 socially-transitioned-only patient can do this, who knows how many other patients have done it too? Well the hospital don't, there's no way of noting a change to legal sex on the patient's record, it's just overwritten (fully paperless system). If you can say you're a different sex than you are, and have your medical records show that untruth as true, the whole lot is useless and potentially dangerous.

literalviolence · 08/01/2024 20:54

Yetmorebeanstocount · 08/01/2024 18:43

This sounds like a good idea - refuse to participate if non-binary is there as an option alongside male and female.
I guess in practice sometimes you would be forced to just pick one, with no ability to add comments. In that case would it be counter-productive to tick non-binary?

Imagine if they processed the results and found that 48% of the population was non-binary and only 4% was female .😄

what on earth would the men who demand that we pretend they are just like us do if the us they want ro be just like identified out of the revolting, sexisr box they feel entitled to force us into?

WarriorN · 08/01/2024 21:06

It's ridiculous.

I've started to call non binary a style.

It's Emo #2

grafittiartist · 08/01/2024 21:21

I had a reply from my email complaint- saying that they will take it on board to inform next years survey.

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